How well would modern airborne attack vehicles like fighter planes fare against mythical creatures like dragons or...

How well would modern airborne attack vehicles like fighter planes fare against mythical creatures like dragons or wvyverns in isekais?
As far as this one isekai is concerned, though, not particularly very well because of their riders.

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Depends on the fictional universe.

Depends on the setting. If the dragons are just fat lizards the planes win, if the dragons are elder gods the planes lose.

Well that was easy to answer.

Enchant the planes.

Stupidly easily. Look up what modern missile tech does. And unless the flying monster is harder than a main battle tank, it would only take 1-2 missiles.

I am not sure you understand how fast modern jets go. There is no way a dragon, even an intelligent magic dragon can react to a supersonic jet blitzing it.
Don't forget the real problem is that a modern attack vehicle should be impossible to maintain in an isekai setting without big infrastructure behind it like in GATE. That's what keeps it balanced.
Other important factors are things like forcefields, exactly how tanky the dragon is, whether a powerful field of magic scrambles the electronics on a jet and/or its missiles. Any of those could render the modern attack vehicle useless.
Basically with any self respecting fantasy setting my money is on the dragon.

depends entirely on how effective the guns are against the dragons and if the dragon riders also have effective magical attacks.

While the make of ammo does effect things a bit. The attack damage of the majority of vehicles, weapons and other things are tied to the level of their users in the shield hero universe, at least those worlds that operate with the same laws that the world where raphtalia is from operates with.

>Wind Dragon freezes the jets in the air by stopping all air movement before slicing them into metal shavings and bloody chunks.
You underestimate how BS elemental powers can get.

For some reason I keep forgetting that Yojo Senki is an isekai.

Is the dragon just a dumb animal or intelligent? Because it's it's the latter it shitstomps any plane we can put up in the sky today. The last plane Vs dragon thing I've read ended with said dragon basically ignoring the planes and nuking not!New York off the face of the Earth before fucking off back to isekailand.

Modern missiles can fire from 100 miles away and travels at 4x the speed of sound
And those are the common standard missiles.

The Blackbird was obsolete for a reason

Dragons, no matter the universe, have a range that is barely 1km and flies so slow that even a horse can catch up

What kind of question is this?

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>that one isekai dragon slut who had one of her friends killed, lost her marbles and accidentally murdered all of Asia, just after she had finally convinced her pals to not wipe out humanity

More often than not, dragons are almost indestructible with ancient broken magic.

Is that supposed to be impressive? A lot of isekai creatures can move faster than that.
In fact, most anime characters can move faster than that.

I'm assuming a Zero can outfly a giant lizard guided like a horse. Plus, the Zeros can just dive on them and open up from a distance where the fire can't touch them, then fly back up

The average dragon ignores stuff like missiles and lord help you if you stumble on a old lizard wizard, then you're properly fucked because the thing isn't just absurdly tough, fast and strong anymore, but it can also cast magic.

What about magical dragons equipped with jetpacks?

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Ore no Genjitsu wa Ren'ai Game?? ka to Omottara Inochigake no Game datta is an isekai.

I miss Duel Masters and its dragons.

So, the question isn't if the jet can kill a dragon but if the dragon can survive?

That's cool

You have to make the Dragon on the level of Shenron or whatever to stand a chance. Modern arsenal are designed with low orbit, coriolis effect, and wind resistance in mind

If your dragon relies on flamethrower, then what a load of shit of guy it is

>Dragons, no matter the universe
So all the Disgaeaverse Dragons who exist among solar system busting, universe shaking character can't compare?
Even the one from Makai Kingdom who is close to Zetta in power?

I honestly have never seen any dragon in media that could break the sound barrier.
All of them are giant flying flamethrowers.

Yeah, ok.
Let me repharase that to: "The generic dragons in fictional universes"

>Dragon Commander
Based. Ophelia best waifu.

As for that, highly depends. If it's just "giant lizard" then yeah, it's not gonna last long. But if it's "Urganath, Witness of the Beginning, Bringer of the End" dragon that has reality warping powers, then yeah, modern bullshit has no chance.
Really this debate is retarded as magic and fantasy has no clear boundaries unless it is set. I can keep modifying how things work to the point that I can just pretend that a tiny goblin can move faster than light and stop time because I wanted it to.

What about dragons with naturally occurring jetpacks?

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I still can't get over how dumb that is. That just means you can survive some lvl1 person using a thermobaric on you. That really breaks my immersion.

As all the other anons pointed out, that depends. If the dragon is just a flying firebreathing lizard - the plane shreds it before coming into the visual range of the dragon. If the dragon is intelligent, it has a chance of at least dodging the ordnance and going into hiding, unlikely that it could take out a plane. If the dragon is intelligent and is capable of using magical spells, like the basic "slow" or "protection from missiles", or more advanced things like slowing down time to intercept the plane, or simply cast "sleep" on the pilot, after realizing that it is operated by a humanoid, then the plane stands zero chance whatsoever unless it is warded by magic.

The dragon that killed suimei's dad could breathe lightning.

Only if your level is high enough.

>The generic dragons in fictional universes
in isekai, the generic dragon seems to be the highest class being in the world capable of shrugging off pretty much all attacks not from the main character.

Would that be more or less scary? Because an artificially created jetpack either implies the dragon is smart enough to make its own high-tech equipment or has allies who are capable of doing so.

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Generic how? Like just low fantasy dragons? DnD dragons that are basically just shapeshifting sorcerers? There's really a lot of varieties with that.

Not gonna work. Modern Aircraft are designed with a vaccuum tube that makes them immune to EMPs and lightning

Post space dragons

All of them have ranges that do not exceed your sight. That's a death sentence as aircrafts and artillery are designed to fight beyond the horizon

They're not immune to goddamn magical lightning that's more symbol than actual lightning.

>That's a death sentence as aircrafts and artillery are designed to fight beyond the horizon
It's not a death sentence if your weaponry is useless against the dragon.

>All of them have ranges that do not exceed your sight.
Pretty sure that the entire Divination skillset from DnD is specifically meant to do that. Gate alone is just teleportation. There's too much things that a dragon can do even if we're going with a rather tightly knit ruleset like DnD.

>That's a death sentence as aircrafts and artillery are designed to fight beyond the horizon
what the fuck how

That's stupid.
If you want to discuss powerlevel, be sure to be specific on your rules instead of inventing new rules when you got cornered

No one likes that kid.

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The fact that it is possible annoys me. Magic barrier I can buy but face tanking a rocket to the face, less so.

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user has a hard on for artilleries and thinks that if you just field more of them, you'd win.

That quote chain was discussing DnD dragons. That I was responding to. Learn to read.

>a cute petite dark elf/demon slave thinks she is disgusting
>the MC is the first one to ever treat her like a person
for fuck sake, she wasn't even a slave until 2 years ago. who the fuck writes this shit

Helicopters can destroy entire armies.

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Gate has a range of 60ft

Not if you use metamagics.

Naofumi tanked a sniper round and it only slightly hurt, now that i recall.

As for the other post, he was specifically responding to Suimei's dad's dragon. Seriously, learn to read.

And its range is?

Bruh, there was never a proper power scale stated, "dragon" is a loaded term that encapsulates everything from dumb flying lizards to literal gods.

Yes, if the armies are stationary, unobstructed by anything and if the helicopter is well supplied, has enough fuel to reach its target and is operating in ideal weather conditions. The Chechen and Afghanistan wars showed just how fucking useless helicopters are in conditions outside of ideal.

>Dragons, no matter the universe
>generic dragons
>All of them
You are literally retarded. You keep falling back on statements like this to justify your points when it's just false. There is too large of a range of dragons in fiction to say anything definitively.

Magic>Physics. You need more than that, like a magic rocket.

Magic icbm when

Yeah, that invalidates everything if we have no idea which Lizard you want to fight.

40K dragons that the Emperor fought were said to endager the galaxy

Technically infinite, since you can use it to hop between planes. Or was it Dimension Door? I forgot which.

It literally can shower with napalm everything.

What universe?

People that want to get their rocks off for cheap.

are you retarded? that's just where one end appears. Read the fucking description of the spell

Magic is a buzzword
It's either you like knowledge or you think it's magic

What? The reason manpads worked in Afghanistan is that the Hinds were flying in range. And Chechnya was a shitshow fro a completely different reason. Material superiority doesn't matter if you squander it. A helo would absolutely ruin any pre-modern military. You're going to need some really good magic AA if you want to hit a smart helo.

Sorry, not a fan of DnD
Tell me more of its range, precision, and cost

Its supply of ammunition is not limitless. It needs to have a clear target and it needs to have a way to engage its target. It needs to have ground support from recon and surveillance to be effective. It's not an unbeatable doomsday machine that can take out anything, it's a fucking delicate weapon of war that won't even fly without proper maintenance.

What about stopping time magic or teleporting magic. Magic world doesn't have weaknesses this is literally Gods realm.

ITT: time to fight a Nexus Dragon with a jet

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