I wanna be a pilot so fucking bad...

yup, depends on the country you're from.
In Canada (and i'm pretty sure the USA), you start with PPL, then do night rating, CPL, then multi, multi-IFR, then multi-crew rating.
All that costs about $60-70k, and all it means is you can essentially fly and make money. Most airlines won't touch you unless you have around 2000 hours, and in the USA you can't fly for an airline unless you're (i think) 2000 hours. Most either be an instructor for a few years or become a bush pilot. Bush pilot pays a bit better (used to be shit but i made 50k a year doing it).

Also no airline will touch you without a bachelors degree. Doesn't matter what it's in but make sure you get one.

My PPL cost me around $14k, i was told it would be $8.5k, took me 45 hours of flying, but it ends up being more when you take into account instructor hours, taxes, etc. they lure you in with the price.

On the plus side i'm making well into the 6 figure range after 3 years, also look up what places like Air China, FedEx, Emirates, etc. pay first officers.
The amount of money that can be made is stupid.

>how many flight hours did it take you?
At least 45. I'm being vaguely obtuse here. That's the minimum.
>I crunched the numbers
It's very unlikely you will complete everything within the minimum amount of instruction unless you fly 5 days a week.
Calculate your budget and then have like 3k extra laying around because you will probably need at least some of it.

Holy shit! How did you do it!? What was your path out of highschool? Do you need to go to college to land a commercial role? How much time and money does it take and how do you finance the education if youre a poorfag stuck on a Kazakhstani beekeeping forum gambling on shitcoins?

yes, but there is a lot more demand for helicopter pilots.

>no airline will touch you without a bachelors degree
This is so fucking dumb. Why do I have to waste 4 years learning how to vote democrat and drop 100k on a degree to work for an airline? This shit is depressing.

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So i don't care telling how i did it, i went through university of waterloos aviation program.
I got a fuck ton of loans, made some money on ETH back in the day (cashed out an airdrop on some shit coin and put it on ETH and forgot about it).
I got loans from the bank mostly. They were low interest, 3%. I worked my ass off while in university too.
Came out of the program with a degree and all my licenses.

Alternatively, get a degree and join the military. They'll pay for all your flight training and they offer better training than any civi place, plus you have job security. ex. mil pilots get favour on jobs too.

Start looking at colleges that have a good aviation degree program. Pretty sure Florida has one thats really good.

There are programs that are pretty good.
It has to do with professionalism. Look up requirements for first officer positions at any airline, they all say degree.
You can even do it online. Just ignore the liberal cap.
I went to university of waterloo, it was pretty right wing i found, in fact they voted to defund some liberal group when i was there. It was hilarious, libs lost there shit. There's still options user.

therecord.com/news/waterloo-region/2016/10/07/uw-advocacy-group-loses-funding.html

>Start looking at colleges that have a good aviation degree program.
Honestly I'm surprised you're recommending that.
OP if I was you I'd throw flying as a job in the bin, make it somehow otherwise, and then fly for fun.
When something is a job you better believe that shit is gonna feel like a job.

When I was at my local community college I was talking with usmc officer recruiters about becoming a military pilot but college became to expensive and I ended up leaving to avoid taking out a loan. This shit makes me so sad that you have to take out huge loans to do anything fun in this life. I just wanna fly, not learn liberal arts bull shit.

Helicopter Pilot here, he is correct.

I disagree. I've been doing my job for some time now, i love it. Everyone in my career loves it.
Only thing that sucks about it is the first few years youre broke af until an airline takes you on.

Ill look into it. If my crypto bags moon Im gonna cash out and buy a degree. You said youre able to fly while attending this university?

i know a few pilots, all young guys. Working instructors, private, etc. Have been offered free instruction, just rental costs. I've thought about it.
All of them fucking hate it though. Kinda killed my interest.

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Honestly, i really struggled financially in school i won't lie.
Most kids in the program came from extremely wealthy families (China, Saudi arabia, etc.). Some kid got a Tesla Model S for his birthday, everyone had Louis Vuitton bags and shit. It was really demotivating to see how easy some of these kids had it in life and how they never seemed thankful while i really struggled with this.
That being said, all my debt is paid off, i love my career, i have lots of free time while making good money doing something i love.
it is worth it in my opinion and all my colleagues feel the same way.

flying is actually part of the program. You have to fly in order to get your degree. Takes 3 years for all the flying anyways. So it was the best option in the end.

Add me on discord if you'd like user. coldbore#1699
That way if you have any questions in the future i can help out.

flying instructor is trash. I never did it myself, but everyone i know that did it hated it.
You make no joke less than welfare.
Not worth it at all, just to deal with snot nosed brats all day. fts

It seems like there's a huge gap between commercial pilot and han solo single engine gunslinger. And the only one worth it is the former.

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I walked 4 miles to my community college every day from home while a lot of people straight up had 15-20k dollar vehicles. It really does suck being poor. It sucks even more that even though Im poor I should have to help pay for these rich fuckers life styles in college. I guess the worlds not fair and I have to find a way around this to get what I want. Im really hoping my crypto holdings will be enough to fund 4 years of college.

Shit if flying is part of the program this sounds really based. I was under the impression Id have to waste 4 years before I could touch a craft. Will add.

me too user, i really hope the best for you.
This was my program: uwaterloo.ca/aviation/

have a friend that did this program and liked it.
erau.edu/degrees/bachelor/aeronautical-science

pilotcareercenter.com/tsr2-FlightCollege/Aviation-College-University-USA

no not at all. I did 3 university courses for 2 terms of the year. Flew each term, and did some ground school each term.
You get credits towards your degree with all your licensing/courses.
For example my ppl was worth 3 credits or something like that.

Thank you for the link!

I live in the u.s. btw. What are the odds of this school accepting someone in the states? I heard its hard to get into the universities up in canada

This.
You might get it done in 45 hours. You might get it after 60.
Then the real expensive part comes..actually flying.
T. CPL in training and owner.
I came to biz so I could learn about crypto. Aviation is an addiction. If you have to ask how much it costs, you can’t afford it. It’s a labour of love.

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You can do it alot cheaper user.

First complete your ground school

Then go on facebook and find small flight schools/airports, and a boomer. The old boomers want an excuse to go out and fly all day. A CFI, is about $60+/hr, but some boomers, nowadays will do it as low as $20/30, especially if you book 20+ hours and pay in full, in advance.

You can go every.single.day.

For cheap plane rentals, look for a flight club, you should be able to buy in for about 1k, or less, some don't even require membership, especially if your CFI is part of it, the wet rental can be as low as $75/hr for a C172 (atleast here in Florida). It's easily double for Seattle area (cuck prices man.)

by 30 hours, you should be doing cross country and be independent, and the flight school that owns the plane and the boomer you paid should be going "that user is great, I knew the youth of today like to fly." and it will open up a million doors for you.

Then you can/should get your IFR done as well.

From C172, you can probably do cheaper in a tiger cub or C150, but those planes are, marginally cheaper. You *should* do a few hours to learn the controls though.

And if you're ready for the big boy league, Cirrus Sr22/Sr20- Try to avoid the older ones, because the parachute probably needs to be repacked, but if you don't crash it shouldn't be an issue. lols.

7.5k is a great deal.

You can do it for 5k if you really want, user.

Also, don't go to controller and *do not* buy a fucking plane.

Yeah, 25K for a C172 seems good, on paper.

Don't do it user.

Most only become instructors to get enough hours to apply to a commercial spot. Most people cant afford to pay for the hours of rental to get enough for Delta and United so they need jobs that pay awful and are awful to get those flight hours. The real redpill is going Air Force Reserves as a pilot and flying F-22s every so often while getting benefits.

I’ve never even heard of someone doing it for 5k in the last 15 years.
>cirrus
That’s a $650K+ plane lol

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Theres many schools in the US that offer similar programs, like what i linked.
But i had friends from the US in that program. desu as long as you have an average over 80 you'll get in just fine.

I thought that the odds of actually flying anything in the military are 0:1

fuck you literally my dream job

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Complete ground school, find a really cheap flight club and a cheap boomer as CFI. It's possible in Florida, though unlikely AF.

Most of the time it's the people that volunteer or helping another pilot teenager get their PPL so they can post it on their FB wall.

I agree, 100% though, 7.5K is a bargain, but I would plan 10k, just for the PPL and maybe, *maybe* IFR rating.

Ground school > CFI + C172 > Check Ride > IFR > PPL op.

Then you can post all the pics you want, in the air, for tinder and bumble whores to woo and wow because "omg r u a pilot?"

>Fuck if you guys recognize this, you probably know my flight school. ;_:

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go for it user, Godspeed

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Looked it up and the international tuition for 4 years is insane. Its the same with the states. If you attend a university out of state the tuition is 4-5x higher. I live in Wisconsin and couldnt get into madison with sumo cum laude out of highschool so I expect my shot at waterloo to be even lower. College is honestly so frustrating. I dont get how all these people are partying it up with these prices.

Pilot slots are hard and you have to pass a lot of tests but no there are tons of military pilots. You go to Undergraduate pilot training if they like your scores then you train on supersonic jets and do other military bs too then you learn your actual airframe with the unit you are in.

>I live in Wisconsin
University of North Dakota isnt that far from you. Big aviation program. Its cold though and summer is like a week but if you want to fly 4 years is worth it. Other schools are Embry Riddle (smaller) and Purdue.

easier to crash and die
helicopters are unstable

I’m also talking in leafbucks. Our currency is a joke. And the govt has a hate on for general aviation.
Comes down to how much effort a person puts into it. Isn’t like pre 1990 where you could just get a licence cause you feel like it and do it with relative ease. You have to devote yourself to it now. Mentally and financially.

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Also the usmc has can guarentee a spot in flight school if you make it physically.

Why are you ignoring >Alternatively, get a degree and join the military. They'll pay for all your flight training and they offer better training than any civi place, plus you have job security. ex. mil pilots get favour on jobs too.
I know you said >I was talking with usmc officer recruiters about becoming a military pilot but college became to expensive
but that doesn't have fuck all to do with enlisting to become a pilot. You are not going to be paying for that shit and if you need more training after serving they pay for your college. Really seems like a no brainer to me, OP.

Also most girls don’t give a fuck.
This was my tinder profile pic.
If they do care it’s something like “oh..so you’re rich?”

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take profits, since crypto might crash anyday this is unregulated market, and start working toward your dream. just my 2 cents, and im off this thread. crossing fingers for you kid

So i don't want to identify myself too much but i'm currently flying for the military.
After i finished school i didn't want to be flying as an instructor or some crap and joined the military.
I can perhaps give some guidance on that front too.

Hey you flying cunts. Is the earth a sphere? Even flying high as fuck you do not see curvature right? My understanding is they always defer to that being due to the scale of the earth, but if the antractic wall is actually circling the entire edge of the outside circle of earth then you would not really be able to tell the difference, even flying.

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You don't need a plane to fly. Just a window or a roof top.

Kekd

The United states military only pays for tuition if you land a paid spot in nrotc. This represents so few people. Its as hard to land these spots as getting into an ivy. Most officers are stuck with student debt even if they are in rotc but didnt get the scholarship for rotc. The program I was looking at was the plc program which gave a guarenteed flight spot but you still have to pay. Its incredibly stupid and creates bad officers.

Dont do USMC aviation if you want to be a pilot and not a marine first. Marines are riflemen first not pilots and aviation supports their ground operations primarily. Also, most of their planes dont work.
>I was talking with usmc officer recruiters
USMC is 2 years training, 8 years active duty, same for navy. Air force is 2 years training, 10 years active. Army aviation is 10 years active as well I think. Keep that in mind if considering military, you will be there a while. Its probably the coolest chance though. No one else ever gets to fly jets like F-16/A-10/f-18 outside military.