How would you even become a hero of justice?
I know Shirou had no fucking clue where to start.
Nasu's interpretation is a Merc who goes to the middle east, but how would that even work?
Shirou has no applicable survival skills or first aid knowledge to help him stay in a warzone for an extended period of time.
That's not even counting how or what it means to actually save people.
If one wanted to do this, how would you even go about it practically?
You're already the hero user, and whatever you feel like doing is your justice. There's no greater secret, though if you want to sacrifice yourself for some vague notion of fame and glory I'm gonna stop you right there and tell you that's retarded.
>Merc who goes to the middle east,
Been a decade since I read it
Was that really all being a hero of justice meant to Archer?
Probably some spiderman/batman vigilante stuff idk
>Nasu's interpretation is a Merc who goes to the middle east, but how would that even work?
Using magus skills to destroy Israel.
Shirou's powers clearly make him more capable than your average mook with a gun. He could probably do whatever the fuck he wanted. I'd say the biggest concern would be some magi coming his way and telling him to stop throwing swords at Arabs.
To Archer, that was the best chance he believed he had at saving people.
It's stated many times in the VN Shirou knows fuck all about what he needs to do to pursue the ideal.
I'd expect in Archer's timeline he wasn't any different.
I mean, how would (You) go about saving everyone? It's an impossible goal.
>Was that really all being a hero of justice meant to Archer?
Kinda.
Actually quite easy, I'd become a firefighter or policeman and use my magic to save more people. Archer was a retard who thought killing would satisfy him, in truth he would have felt more satisfied if he was a doctor or combat medic.
>Archer was a retard who thought killing would satisfy him
Killing had nothing to do with it
Doctors usually help people that just make bad decisions and deserve to die.
Combat medics just help mercenaries for international finance.
Exactly. Archer complains that all he could do was kill, if he got granted powers to save lives he would be much happier.
Protect and marry Sakura. Period.
Based and bestgirl pilled.
He WAS granted the power to help people for all eternity, the problem is that being a janitor means that all you do is exist in every fucked up scenario that could pose a threat to humanity all at the same time forever
I hope you do what you preach and when face true peril you reject a doctor's help so you can die like a faggot from your bad life decisions.
>Was that really all being a hero of justice meant to Archer?
Really shows how retarded fatemonkeys are when they claim fate's commentary about what it means to be a hero is deep.
I don't make bad life choices, I am healthy and fit as a horse.
Keep eating those doritos, fatty.
That's the issue. I find no pleasure in normal life snd feel guilty doing it.
I have a constant need to help people. I don't understand it.
Just this month I've clocked in over 200 hours at my local charity working.
I have to wake up at 6am tomorrow and unload over 400lbs of food by myself for free.
I spent over half my paycheck buying toys and feeding people that I don't even know.
I want to help more. It's not enough right now. I want to change the world so that I won't have to help people.
I just don't know how to do it.
I don't even know if my way of living is right.
Have you considered making a deal with Alaya?
>a Merc who goes to the middle east
unless it was defending places like Maaloula there's no justice for a merc to be there
I mean its kind of the point. Archer's ideal is so retarded and impossible to achieve that he dies some pathetic death in some unknown country and is killed by the people he was trying to save.
>and is killed by the people he was trying to save
My issue was more with how he went about trying to save people in the first place.
He's insane. The VN establishes this clearly. Him even having access to a reality marble is proof of this.
It also doesn't help that his goal is incredibly vague and unachievable.
>He's insane. The VN establishes this clearly
Yes and commentary on heroism kinda of loses it's weight when the protags idea of a hero is insane.
Shirou's ideals aren't insane, they're unobtainable.
He's the one that's not right in the head
Mostly beat up random people, i guess.
The point is the ideal itself isn't flawed.
It's a noble goal that every person dreams of.
It's just the fact that is impossible. Some people have a hard time grasping this.
Shirou especially.
Someone who saves everyone is the purest, most noble hero. The very definition.
But a person like that will never exist. Anyone who tries will end up like Archer.
A bitter man who destroyed more than he saved and died forgotten.
t. Shirou as a real man
>Shirou especially.
Not really, even in Fate he knew that you can't save everyone
Shirou and Saber both tried to defy fate and reach an impossible goal.
For Saber, it was defying the downfall of her kingdom.
For Shirou, it's defying the reality that a single man cannot save everyone.
It's literally a core part of their dynamic that makes their relationship work
Considering Archer has a holy shroud of a saint, it's pretty safe to assume he hunted vampires and shit too. He probably Celestial Beinged the middle east and tried to stop civilian body counts too
>Considering Archer has a holy shroud of a saint
what
He tried saving people wherever he could. The story is not saying that being a merc is a good way to be a hero either you moron
>For Shirou, it's defying the reality that a single man cannot save everyone.
yeah that's the thing, he knew that he couldn't save everyone but he still tried. We're not contradicting each other here
Archer was presumably gifted a holy shroud by Ciel because she took an interest in him.
It just exists to show his pragmatism and brutal realism. He simply wears a holy relic people would kill over because it gives him the protection against curses and that occult.
He doesn't believe in the God that blessed it.
I'm sorry, where the fuck are you getting this shit from?