ITT Well written antagonists
>well written
>dude for the greater good lmao
He only barely says this at the very end, minutes before his death. in 90% of the part he's just an "ugh peasants" tier villain
My self-insert
You're all wrong.
Valentine is the greatest villain I've come across in fiction. No one quite compares to the nuance or thematic relevance that Valentine holds. Valentine serves to exist as the antithesis of Johnny. Both are selfish individuals who are vying to utilize the corpse parts to further their own power. However, Valentine's selfishness is the most selfless. Instead of merely wishing to use the power on himself, Valentine wants to further the goals of the US and bring the ultimate prosperity to its people. And thus a moral dilemma arises: is this truly just? Depending on your own political and philosophical views, the answer to the question might differ. But when perceived through the lens of Valentine, it's not even a legitimate question.
Valentine's father was tortured in the war in a desperate attempt by enemy soldiers to discover the military strategy of the US army. His father, through the use of Funny's napkin as a moral support, refrained from divulging these details. Funny's father died not only to protect his country, but to protect the individuals who inhabit his country, and the individuals he fights to protect under the flag of the USA. Most importantly, his family. These ideals of patriotism are cemented into Valentine because of this. He rises high enough to become President of the USA, and protect the country that his father died to save.
Yes, that's right, President of America. A moral duty to America. Valentine discovered the existence of the corpse parts, and decided to take the napkin first. The napkin, of course, is a symbol of authority and patriotism towards your country. Should Valentine have kept the corpse parts hidden, because they were too dangerous to use? No, because someone would have eventually discovered them after his death. Wars would be waged and lives would be lost. And this is where Valentine's character truly shines.
Cringe
Based
tl;dr
He is based but he now is considered antigonist
based
b-but he’s a pedo!
Cringe
Brainlets
What was his deal again?
Valentine could have gotten the corpse parts without killing a single person. Plus at the end he ended up lying to Johnny. I hope this is a copypasta.
Valentine knows what war feels like. He's been tortured. He knows what its like to be without a father. Now, as president of the country, he has an opportunity to ensure that there's no more wars and bloodshed for America. No more little boys with no fathers to watch them grow. No more prisoners of war. As president, Valentine would be betraying his people if he gave up this opportunity, and betraying himself. Because love in your country and the people who live in it is a sole nobility of humanity, and giving up this notion would be eradicating the symbol of Valentine, and the whole purpose of his existence. Valentine's identity would collapse, and he would have to live with the feeling that he betrayed his people.
Wherever there is a vehicle for power, there is conflict. Through removing this vehicle (the corpse parts), Valentine ensures that America will remain the #1 world power, and that someone who vies to use it for completely selfish means (Johnny) will never obtain it. Through the manufacture of the SBR, he reduces the number of casualties to the absolute minimum, while adding trillions of dollars to the nation's economy, and without disrupting the lives of the average citizens and sending their fathers, sons, and brothers off to war. Valentine is by far the noblest character in SBR.
Valentine is not completely good, and not completely evil. He's truly morally grey, a victim of circumstance. To call Valentine evil would to be an injustice.
based and handkerchiefpilled
>no more little boys with no fathers to watch them grow
You know valentine took some fathers from their families right?
Any time the antagonist is not just evil it ends up as a good antagonist, when you're actually shown that both protagonist and antagonist are doing what they consider to be correct from their point of view, that's when good protagonist/antagonist are created.
I’m sorry but anyone who buys into that is almost as easily manipulatable as those bitches that stayed with Dio knowing he was gonna kill them eventually. The napkin wasn’t for America it was for him. It’s just America benefited from him having the napkin. Plus for someone who cared so much for American lives he sure sacrificed ALOT of Americans to do it. And unnecessary too. I bet if he had just went to Johnny and explained everything from the beginning I doubt Johnny would have objected. “Oh yeah I rather have my legs than the safety and security of all America”. But Valentine didn’t even TRY to reason with him, he just immediately went to sending assassins after him. Plus everything he said in his last speech to Johnny is completely null because he was gonna betray him in the end. Knowing full well that Johnny was on board with what he was saying anyways he would rather just kill AN AMERICAN than compromise. And I’m the end who did he chose to succeed him? Not the Vice President, a government official, or some one else that matched him in “patriotism”, but Diego. Someone that matched him in his ambition, ruthlessness, and do whatever it takes attitude. Because in the end that’s what he truly values.
>people still don't understand the final scene with Johnny and the gun to this day
>he's selfish
>dies for his country dozens of times
'i only regret that i have but one life to give for this country' is a famous line by an american hero and valentine, with his multiple lives, gives up tons of them
bravo araki
Brainlet
nice plebbit spacing
tell them brother amen
What's the difference between spacing and plebbit spacing?
He had an ego sure but his motives were pure, even if in life he would bask in the glory his actions would outlive him. Araki just held off on the reveal down to the last minute, his final confrontation was the most kino thing he will ever write, it give me goosebumps every time I think about it.