Is this manga just the usual childish "violence bad" bullshit...

Is this manga just the usual childish "violence bad" bullshit ? I want to like this manga and i already do to an extent since i'm about 80 chapters in but i can't condone the life lessons it's trying to teach, there are nuggets of truth here and there like not letting yourself be consumed by your need for vengeance but the broader points are usually God awful. They're all obsessed with their bullshit fictional land whether it's Vinland or the kingdom Canute is trying to create though Canute is a lot more realistic about it. Does Thorfinn end up realising that his father was just naive ?
Am i missing something ?

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There's no easy answers in his quest. Not sure if you've gotten to this part yet, but Thorfinn's own past as a murderer for hire, and his connection to other Vikings, comes back to haunt him. It might rightly end with him not achieving his dream. I've never found it to do asspulls to say pacifism is right. Hell, it opens up with a pacifist getting killed and destroying his family when he could have easily fought back and been alright for it.

In fact there are plenty of characters who have great success with violence.

If you're read this far, surely you can see that, despite Thorfinn holding absolutist ideals regarding pacifism, the story itself offers more nuance than that.

Thorin knows, that people won't just go out of their way in changing them self.
This is why he tries to find a world, where people can start a new life.

As this user and others said altough Thorfinn is naive in his pacifism and doesn't deviate from it. This does not mean that the world and story go along his pacifism. Yes he gets protagonist priviledges with talk no jutsu sometimes but they feel a bit earned (the huntress woman for example, she popped his legs full of bolts before just barely saying she wouldn't kill him). Take the Jomsvikings saga for an example, it is Thorfinn being faced with his views and the need of the world for violence and his pacifism needs to adapt and consolidate, forcing him into compromises that go beyond just not hitting anybody and lets be frens :DDDD.
I think that maybe Thorfinn is being led to the conclusion that altough pacifism must be the common rule, those who are able need to use minimal violence whitin the context to mantain it as an order. Something like "peace is only an option when upheld by the strong".

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I dropped it when they shoehorned a homosexual 7'0 300lbs bottom vikang

Violence is bad though. You're the childish one if you can't realise this.

Farming kino thread?

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>"violence bad" bullshit
>i can't condone the life lessons it's trying to teach
I thought Zig Forums was 18+? what's with all the edgy 14yo posting here?

Just because Zig Forums is 18+ doesn't mean the iq of everyone here is that of an adult.

Ehh let us just say that was an artistic choice by the mangaka. Weird and strange? Sure. But dropping manga bad? Hell no.

Literally inspired by real life events when archaeologists found the grave of a tranny viking. Seethe more.

I am somewhat on OP's side here.
"Violence is bad" works as a principle when you live in a country that is well-ordered with a somewhat reliable police force and justice system.
In a country where people are expected to carry swords with them to protect themselves, that same lesson just does not work.
You are expected to be able not just to fend for yourself, but also to preemptively signal to others that attacking you is a bad idea. This potential for violence on your part helps reduce the total violence of the society.
If somebody rejects violence entirely, then they rejecting the very structure that the society is maintaining its peace on.

Further, these people are used to death. Not just half their children die before they reach the age of 15, older people get killed too on a regular basis. To them, death may be sad, but it's not the same horrible taboo thing that it is to us.

Modern morals, written up by people who have probably never even seen a pig getting slaughtered, are very simply incompatible with the world that Thorfinn lives in.

I thought that was just speculation because of when that plotline starts up? Did he actually confirm he got the idea from that grave being found?

Yeah, they make that pretty clear in the manga.

But op...
violence is bad

the past was a lot more gay than you think

>usual childish "violence bad" bullshit
Ask me how I know you're edgy 14 years old internet tough guy.

he's haunted you retard

This manga is such a letdown. I always felt being a Viking is the most metal thing ever. You get an axe, go "ODINNNNNNNNNNNN" and die of metal poisoning from getting stabbed too many times. Needless to say, this manga was not that, which killed any interest I had in this.

I mean, it should have been a Man o'War album cover. Just, like, all the time.

I wish we could go back to Farmland desu. Series definitely peaked then. Now it's a fucking trainwreck
>clusterfuck Baltic Wars arc that ends up feeling like a throwaway sideplot
>crossbow woman that constantly threatening to kill Thorfinn if he kills someone
>literal tranny viking
>skipped Istanbul

You can't stop mindless violence without violence you turd. There's a reason as to why the only people that can enforce Thorfinn's pseudo pacifism are superhumans like him and his dad.

People aren't as edgy as they fantasize user.

Don't get filtered user

Garbage manga

The majority of people in society, even in medieval society, effectively never use violence. This even applies to viking society, it's just that the comic focuses on people that go raiding and brings up violence more often than it would normally occur because it's one of the main themes.

Yeah, "violence bad" is naive bullshit and Thorfin will most certanly realise this when he reaches his bullshit fairyland of Vinland.
Real Vinland ended up in massive violance between norse and natives, so they had to pack their bags and fuck off back.
Canut on other hand created a cristian North Sea Empire that laster for 30 years and destroyed pretty much entire viking society of raiding and slavery in britain and civilizing/converting most of Denmark and Norway.

>This potential for violence on your part helps reduce the total violence of the society.
Yukimura does touch on that.

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Another one baited and filtered.

>Is this manga just the usual childish "violence bad" bullshit ?
it devolved into that unfortunately

violence isn't good or bad, it's too context dependent for anyone to make any broad statements about it imo. certainly too broad to say shit like "you have no ennemy"

what's that got to do with what he said ? in the end even if they don't use violence they rely on the threat of overwhelming ammounts of it for their safety, only truly strong monsters like Thors can have the luxury of advocating for the sort of "pacifism" he did. don't get me wrong it makes sense for people like him (Thorfinn too and even more so i'd argue) to arrive at that conclusion it's just annoying to me that about 80 chapters (where i'm at) in it hasn't really been criticized openly except pic related.
I can't tell if it's the author's own beliefs or Thorfinn's, seeing as how we were introduced to the idea really early and this is the first time someone even brought up this really obvious argument i'm tempted to believe it's the former.
Even after Einar brings this up, Thorfinn just ends up talking about Vinland saying the stupidest shit about starting again there.

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You could always read the actual Vinland saga if you want spoilers, OP. I'm not sure how the manga will address it, but things will definitely not be happily ever after for Thorfinn. The natives of Newfoundland are not just going to hug and kiss everyone.