Why is wageslaving so unbearable when our ancestors(ancient egyptians, romans, medieval europeans etc) did thrice as much as we did and they weren’t contemplating suicide over it. Except for the greeks, I don’t think they worked at all. Just spent all day playing with words.
Why is wageslaving so unbearable when our ancestors(ancient egyptians, romans...
Jack Ortiz
Ethan Sanchez
Wanna know why these civilizations thrived? They had slaves do degenerate jobs so they could focus on things that actually mattered.
Jonathan Cooper
Modern jobs are essentially a contrivance to keep you shackled to something that occupies your time and attention. You spend much of your time at work doing nothing productive if you are like most people. Somehow the machine keeps churning out productivity because it doesn't require as much input of labor.
By contrast ancient people only got shit done through labor of one sort or another. Work basically equated to productivity which tended to equate to survival and they tended to understand this.
Noah Price
>wageslaving
they weren't involved in wage labour until the 19th century at the earliest, they were mostly "self employed" farmers or homesteaders
Carter Sanchez
Doesn’t slave labor cause the problem of job loss? Like how we get scared of losing jobs to automatons, ppl back then could fear losing their jobs to workers who do it for free?
Daniel Rodriguez
because back then we had fucking good morals and standards, people valued for their hard work, lefties on twitter and in general shat all over the middle class making them out to be dumbasses. Litterally look at any liberal convo, they completely dehumanise anyone who has a blue collar job
Cameron Peterson
This isn’t a simple issue to tackle. Everything about economic life was different back then. Most people farmed and during the winter months rested. Modern labor starts with the industrial revolution turning humans into units of labor
The world population was much much smaller.
Austin Wilson
They worked far less overall. Hunter gatherers work 14 hours a week.
Ayden Thomas
People back then didn't have time to be miserable
Work was relatively fulfilling and they did everything as a community, the big worries they would have had were famine and war, not wageslavery
Grayson Powell
As for civilizational history the vast majority of people were farmers and would work ~10 a day for half the year. Autumn to spring was entirely off.
So modern workers work substantially more than 99% of human ancestors.
Nicholas Sanchez
*i should add that 14 includes not just hunting but management of the home as well. The majority of their time is leisure/down time.
Nathan Brown
They actually did work that mattered and gave a sense of accomplishment
Lucas Reed
Now a days, when you're 23 you're waging to fill your one bed room apartment with cheap chinese furniture.
100 years ago, when you were 23 you'd be waging to feed your wife and 5 year old kid.
Kevin Ramirez
Took some time to read on the topic and man people really did have it better back then
Zachary Russell
Yup most jobs are you literally hamsterwheeling and even if you have your own business it doesn’t always feel meaningful most fulfilling work involves farming, building or some sort of craftsmanship
Jaxson Torres
This.
Evan Thomas
Also people were still pretty tribal. Not a bad thing but there was typically no doubt that the people in your village/town believed the exact same things you did. On a local level there was exponentially more social cohesion than the rootless urbanism we have now.
Jonathan Ramirez
this isn't even wrong
Leo Ramirez
I think it has to do in large part with the way modern culture worships celebrities/successful people and modern technology facilitates them endlessly flashing their wealth/success. They're basically dangling in front of our faces the fact that they have escaped 'the system' and no longer have to trade huge portions of their time and energy to enjoy luxury. we see how good everyone else has it and we compare ourselves and most of the time we fall short.
Jack Wright
you hit a nail on the head user.
Robert Stewart
Its different
>wake up as the sun rises
>go into your family run business
>within your own friendly community
>talk to the neighbors
>flirt with some girls
>start drinking by 10am
>nothing better to do
>1/10k
Being an apprentice or farmer or baker or scribe was so much more enjoyable, every job came with so much more freedom in life. Not to mention there was nothing better to do all day. What else are you going to do? Shitpost in the town market? Play video games? Yet another thing to consider is the population. You would be 1/10k. Your individual contributions, no matter what were a much bigger deal to your community.
People generally did whatever they had a passion for or whatever their fathers did to make a living. No father ever told his kid that he'd have to make up his own mind what career he wanted so they could kick him out at the age of 18.
Compare that to the modern worker
>wake up before the sun rises
>strict schedule to follow ensures no freedom
>spend entire day in artificially lit room
>flirting with co-workers is sexual harassment
>neighbors don't care who you are
>hundreds of other things you'd rather be doing
>1 in a million
Gabriel Bell
They didn't though. Historically if you look at working populations, native Americans, Roman's, the average work week was about 35 hours a week.
The current average in the USA is 51 hours a week.
And also we are enslaved by debt and yearly inflation that cannot be stopped.
We really are enslaved. People have a right to complain.
Oh and wealth inequality is worse now than 1200 AD. So all the benefits of technology and the modern age, the gains have been passed to the top 1% while the majority of humanity works constantly until death.
Need I go on?
Jack Wilson
average daily commute is about 25 minutes each way in USA, meaning you're working for free (commuting to work) and spending your own money on public transportation or a car for the privilege of wageslaving. plus the idiotic pageantry intrinsic to contemporary wageslavery, spending your own money on a fancy business casual wagie garb so you can sit behind a monitor for 8-9 hours a day.
compare this to 500 years ago where you walked out the door of your peasant hut in whatever you wanted and tended to the fields and livestock with minimal commute.
Jordan Long
How come the stereotype is the opposite? Why don’t more people know about this?
Easton Phillips
bread and circuses pacify the masses. these were publicly funded in the times of yore: feasts, tournaments, fairs, gladiatorial sports, etc. now private companies create the entertainment and the cost of (((technology))) is so low that even the poorest nigger has a cellphone in his hands that incessantly streams movies, music, sports, etc.
why do you think every argument for our """elevated""" contemporary standard of living always goes back to B-B-BUT YOU HAVE A CELLPHONE AND A REFRIGERATOR AND TWO CARS AND YOUR ANCESTORS COULDN'T EVEN DREAM OF SUCH A THING!!!!
Gabriel Bennett
The less you do shit, the less you feel like doing shit.
We've reached peak laziness in our society, we become weak and unable to have any desire to achieve anything because dopamine is so easy to obtain.
Hardship is actually a healthy thing.
Jordan Jenkins
The rich have A LOT of power user. Even more true now than 1000 years ago.
Here are some things the rich love to push through media, politicians, and education
> life is good and fair! You have so much freedom
> If you work hard you will get ahead
> Our legal system is the same for everyone regardless of status
> Fight hard for your political view! One side is right and the other is wrong (this is how you make a difference and overcome tyranny)
> Because we have the right to vote we are free and can choose our leadership
> Our media doesn't have an agenda they just want to report what is important to us
> We can all eventually retire and have a nice home with nice things in it
> Our legal system punishes the guilty and protects the innocent
> Rich people can't get away with crimes
Cameron Martin
To take it a step even further I'm seriously considering the 40 year plan of the mega wealthy to enslave humanity using technology and vaccines is real.
Hudson Collins
they also lived a third as long because they burned out
check out how old any significant historical figure was, when they were "ruler of ..." or "liberator of ..." or "king of ..."...
They were probably as young (if not younger) than you. They didn't have a lot of time on this earth.
Jace Phillips
>when our ancestors(ancient egyptians, romans, medieval europeans etc) did thrice as much as we did and they weren’t contemplating suicide over it
Maybe in the past 1000 years people worked a lot, but for most of human evolution, humans only "worked" about 2 hours a day, and that "working" was immediately beneficial to you and your tribes survival (hunting animals for food, building the tribes buildings/tools/clothes/what have you). Modern surviving for "money" is more abstract thus harder to internally justify, and the "tribe" in western society at least has completely broken down resulting in people becoming more selfish and isolated