>highest taxes in OECD
>highest electricity prices in the world (thank you green energy!)
>grocery prices up 10% from last year
>wealth per household lower than greece and spain (which we routinely bail out with tax money)
>politicians debating additional meat tax
>CO2 tax coming
>median net income 1,600 euro
>engineer friends make 2,000 euro net
>apartments start at 200k
>houses at least 500k
fuck me Im so sick of living in this shithole. how the fuck are you supposed to make money here? I make more than twice the median income, dont have health insurance, dont pay into SS ponzi scheme and I still feel broke as fuck. how are people putting up with this shit? how are they not literally starving in the streets? my apartment alone is 1000 euro per month, I pay 500-600 for healthy food, gas prices are outrageous, you get nickel and dimed everywhere. and most normies think theres nothing wrong with any of this. how the fuck does anyone make money here?
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>how the fuck does anyone make money here?
they don't and they feel good about it because money is evil
Germans have been neutered and conditioned for 75 years. I am afraid they are too far gone at this point.
>engineer friends make 2,000 euro net
What the fuck? Thats 28k a year in burgerbucks. Do they have entry-level positions or something?
Don't know, I come to Germany occassioanly and you krauts look happy, but the amount of refugees in Phorzeim is scary
what is the ss ponzi scheme?
You revive hitler.
My link stack is my only way out
>entry level engineering
that would pay you about 1300
Move to Portugal and cash out your crypto tax free.
Hallo, FA hier :)
Bitte teilen Sie uns mit wieviel Kettenglied Sie haben, danke.
That is completely fucked. You need to move to the UK or somewhere.
god damnit why the fuck do the greenfags hate nuclear so much, it's the best we have against climate change and a good way to stay green
MAN FUCK THEM, if it takes me one YouTube video to figure that out why can't they?!
how is every fucking party shit at one thing but good at another
why can't there be a party that combines all the good things !
>crypto is tax free after one year
Jesus christ, even in states with the highest income tax it's not that bad.
Green energy isn't about saving the planet but for political agenda. Can't purpose rational and working solutions. Nuclear = evil.
Bulgarian here.
I unironically intend to retire in Bavaria once I make $2M-$3M in Bulgaria.
Takes westerners a while to figure out that socialism means that the middle class is raped in order to provide for the rich. Welfare is just another luxury for the rich - it lowers crime by poorfags and is paid by wagies.
we should make our own party
This is why the "class mobility" meme is so retarded. They talk about how in Germany you can move from 20th percentile to 80th percentile income much easier, but it's like the difference between 18k/yr post-tax versus 28k/yr, whereas in America it's the difference between 18k/yr post-tax versus 45k/yr. An assistant professor at a low-tier state college in America gets paid more than the director of a world-class research facility in Germany.
>2-3 mill
>bavaria
so you want to end up on the street halfway through your retirement?
>I unironically intend to retire in Bavaria once I make $2M-$3M in Bulgaria.
if youre poor you get free housing, free food, free gibs, free health insurance, free everything
if youre rich you pay the same taxes like somebody making 40-50k a year
if youre middle class you get fucked
I HATE THIS SOCIALIST HELLHOLE!
I live in Putler Empire where minimal wage is about 180$ and ur beloved engineer friends would make at best 700$ here so STFU
nothing to do with taxes, what is cost of living etc.
its like comparing polish pays with germans, or germans with switzerland pays and wondering why they are higher
No, instead of caring about politics like a dirty plebeian you should care about making as much money as possible and leave this shithole.
why would you retire to somewhere more expensive where you currently are, makes no sense
>so you want to end up on the street halfway through your retirement?
I have no expenses whatsoever. Once every few years I buy an expensive mac to compose music on - then I only need housing and food. 2-3m euros is sufficient if you don't want to keep up with the Joneses.
This guy gets it.
Sweden has the same wealth inequality as the states, despite the fact that it has next to no income inequality.
What does that tell you ... it literally means it's impossible to start with nothing and make it in socialism. Socialism is a luxury for the rich, who remain rich, while wagies pay for their lunch.
The right term is "oligarchy".
>>politicians debating additional meat tax
Not just that, the super markets and discounters are looking to print the "true price" for le climate on their their grocery products.
presseportal.de
The next step will obviously be to pay the "true price" or ban products.
This is actually an interesting example of how governments and corporations merge. I think it was in January or February when Merkel and Klöckner said food should be more expensive. Some time after that, Merkel invited representatives from the major grocery store chains. Now, they're probably all coming out with these new prices.
That's public-private partnerships in Agenda 21, and one of the reasons everybody is happy to kill off the small companies and consolidate power in the large corporations so they can be used to rule through them.
and they're going to give everyone basic income in the foreseeable future, probably raising taxes even more to compensate
all in all the pervading idea is that everyone sinks to the bottom as if pulled down there by a gigantic magnet and your average normie is programmed to always do what is easiest for them (extreme egotism) - and not complaining in a PC culture is easiest, so they just endure and die out rather than complain. middle class quickly disappearing as even highly qualified people can't afford things that were thought of as basic not so long ago.
tick, tock. it's clearly a race now: somehow make it and become ridiculously rich or become stuck in the brownish masses - reality TV, unemployment, screaming neighbors, burkas, niglets everywhere, normalization of sexual perversion, garbage on the street (everything used to be perfectly clean, i remember that) and enforced PC culture on top of it all.
i watched TV the other day at someone elses apartment (i never watch TV) and there are sex toy ads in the middle of the day on a goddamn sunday in prime TV now.
the future will be literal heaven for the few billionaires on earth, they will live in incomprehensible (and i mean that) joy and ecstasy. the sad thing is that there will be absolutely nothing inbetween the nexus (star trek) and a kalkutta-like slum.
don't complain (that will put you on a list) and don't forget to wear your cuckmask 24/7, after all we're in this together!
>why would you retire to somewhere more expensive where you currently are, makes no sense
Because once you're financially independent it's not more expensive.
Instead of paying for a gated community in a cheaper country, wagies pay for your police.
Instead of paying for private schooling, wagies pay for higher quality public schools.
Instead of paying for private health insurance, wagies pay for higher quality public one. And if you need something urgent, then you pay it once, it sucks but it's probably cheaper than the cheaper country.
The list goes on.
Every "good" that socialism brings is paid 100% by wagies and used by everyone. The rich get a nice deal at the end of it all.
Basicly social security is doomed, because the government can borrow money from it and never pay it back. Then they need the new working class to pay off the old working class
>Merkel and Klöckner said food should be more expensive
What the fuck? I don't understand.
this is absolutely insane
groceries are already up 10% fom last year
some burger on Zig Forums told me they pay a third of what I pay for chicken thighs
and now they want to jack up prices another 30-50%
WHAT THE FUCK?!?
I was ready to escape thsi shithole. had a US work visa and job lined up, literally three days before my escape flight they shut everything down for muh corona. I cant take this anymore, somebody kill me please.
Oh my god, just like in the rest of fucking europe!
Du hast keine Krankenversicherung? BAHAHAHHAHAHA das ist nicht mal erlaubt in Germoney
>how the fuck are you supposed to make money here?
LOL you're not. You're supposed to be kept to your limit of subsistence and be happy that there's that "social net" to catch you and take care of you.
I lived in that shithole for five years. Then moved to NZ with a 30% pay cut, which translated to almost twice as much money in the bank every month after taxes/mortgage/living expenses. Germany is a complete fucking joke.
The taxation system in Germany is already so high that it's clearly not designed to generate maximum revenue, but to impoverish the German people.
From the perspective of Merkel etc, if it forces people to become dependent on the social system, as you likely will if you lose your job, so much the better. Once you are dependent on them you lose much of the little freedom that you still had. If you are dependent on the social system, now they can tell you where you can live how long you can go on vacation which vaccines you need to take, you lose any choices in the schooling of your children.
Some ideas on how to save money:
* See if you can telecommute. If you can spend most of your time in Eastern Europe, you will could pay a lot less in taxes, rent, and groceries. Eastern Germany has much lower rent prices, even if same taxes.
* Take your expenses to the bare minimum
* In Germany you don't have to pay income taxes if you own an asset for more than a year before you sell it. See if you can find a way of making money that takes advantage of this situation.
* don't get a car. or if you do live in it.
you replied to the wrong guy, but politicians are nothing but representatives taking the blame for the actions of the ruling elite (giving the agenda a face that normies can get wrongfully blame).
virtually everything they do on a national scale furthers the disappearance of the middle class, the corruption of virtues and normalizes sins in its various forms.
healthy food is necessary in order to function well, so of course it gets attacked. also everyone has to spend money on it, so the amount gets increased.
(1) people need to spend more money on food => less money to make it out of the lower class
(2) they function worse when they eat shitty food => less chance to make it out, easier to control
(3) health-craze (completely artificial because people just used to be healthy w/o effort) keeps people occupied and separates them further (divide&conquer, just look at how hostile vegans and other indoctrinates are towards normal people)
you dont have to have health insurance if youre self-employed (yet). although they want to close that loophole too
I havent had health insurance since 2016, saved me probably 25k euro at least. the only expense I had in that time is 1,300 euro to get a cavity filled, so Im well ahead. if something bigger comes up I have an "anwartschaft" to join a private healht insurance. the public health insurance is complete garbage by the way. you wait months for a doctors appointment. whenever I tell them I pay myself I literally get a spot within a couple of days.
Ja wir müssen wegen denen ihrer nazi methoden ja 500 pflichtversicherungen haben
sure but you still will pay a fourth of your retirement money on a place to live alone, even in bumfuck nowhere in bavaria and thats just for purchase, running costs for your house or whatever are not paid by wagies but yourself, and they will probably find a way to tax you on your retirement money too
This 1 year holding loophole is only for Crypto atm, not for Stocks
it's your own damn fault you can't figure out how to make a progressive tax curve
>health insurance if youre self-employed
this is the biggest fucking scam of them all.
when you're self-employed you automatically pay the maximum amount (~800€ i think), regardless of how much you actually make.
why?
because they *just assume* that you might be stating a lower income on purpose.
yep, that's right: they simply assume that you cannot be trusted and will bill you the absolute maximum based on nothing.
i'm honestly happy that i had a six-digit operation last month, just because it fucked the health insurance over a little.
Yeah the prices are pretty high. But you can find far lower healthinsurance providers in germany. I think you can get low to 2-300€ if you do research
progressive taxation is the biggest scam ever just look at that chart you tard. it barely makes a difference whether you make 100k, 200k or 300k but god forbid you make more than 40k youre alerady in the highest tax bracket. its absurd, there should be a flat tax so everybody pays the same
you mean private health insurance? that *can* be cheaper when you're very young, but once you're in private health insurance you can't switch back again, and it ramps up very hard once you get middle-aged.
in other words it's a gigantic risk. lots of people get stuck in "privatversicherung" and get ruined by it