$15/hr Minimum Wage

I want to get the general consensus of Zig Forums on the $15/hr minimum wage initiatives on many ballots in the US.

I've always been against the notion, feeling that it would lead to business closures, more incentives for businesses to automate jobs, and massive layoffs for minimum wage workers.

I was shocked when I spoke with my dad last weekend, a diehard Republican, and he said that working a retail job in retirement has changes his outlook: he's voting FOR the $15/hr minimum wage. He said the owner of his store is making $200k a year and paying the employees $9/hr. Paying employees an extra $6/hr would still leave the owner at a six figure income. He made the point that while jobs will be automated, there will always be minimum wage workers (to work on these new machines). He said that in the seventies and eighties, you could work in a hardware store and make enough money to afford a modest home on a single income, which is impossible today.

This initiative wouldn't affect my income in any way, but I want a strong middle class in the US, not be surrounded by high-rise beehives like Europe.

Much of the internet is filled with bullshit, so I'm turning to the consensus of the autistic hivemind that is Zig Forums for answers.

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I think you are right that it will lead to massive layoffs, and the unemployment gibs paid to those former min-wagies will come from the rest of the taxpayers, such that $40/hr gross will net you $15/hr after taxes, just like in Europe.

minimum wages are a price floor and lead to inefficiency in the form of labor surpluses. your dad sounds like a fucking faggot commie who didnt work hard enough when he was young. all communists deserve the rope.

it's not about the owner making $200k while footing all the risk.
It's more about inflation for people that make $15/hr
If you were to make the minimum wage at 15 you are putting everyone from $8-14.99 on the same level as the $15 person.
The only way this would be beneficial is if they pass a law stating "prices of goods and services cannot increase for ten years".
But, there are always going to be people that maximize their revenue streams.
Instead of selling goods and services the money will go to assests and properties.
Rent is already high. If you want to combat rent or home prices you need to forbid foriegn ownership of domestic property.
Canada has a real issue when it comes to property inflation. Chinese "investors" lockup their wealth in nations where the communist regime of China cannot touch their assests. With housing already being limited you observe higher cost of living (where rent makes up 30% of your cost).

My system of rules and regulations planly stated are guaranteed to increase quality of life for all peoples of a certain country.
>1 limited immigration
>2 no foriegn ownership of residential property
>investing highspeed internet to rural areas
>removing the minimum wage
>auditing businesses of 10 or more employees for performance/dollar paid annual review

Have that system run for 6 years then see where government assistance could benefit the individual without stifling incentives for performing better.
The country can do alot to combat inflation, cost of living, and opportunity. A big part of it isn't controlling the people within it's nation, but controlling what people from outside their nation can do.

If rent and housing has gone up like 10x in the last 20 years, don't you think wages should somehow rise too? Leave your political affiliation aside for a minute. Just do 2 plus 2 real quick. What do you think.

I live in a place that has instituted 15 minimum and can say that it has only had a positive effect, but this is coupled with a better tax system that redistributes money from wealthy for tax credits to businesses. The US is a mess It might not even work there its so fucked.

The UK started with a minimum wage of £5 and covered less than 10% of workers. Now its £9+ and covers 20% of the workers. You still can't afford anything more than a room with a hotplate on it. Everybody sinks to the bottom, not rises to the middle.

here’s an idea, if rent and housing go up, don’t agree to work a job that didn’t raise its wage as much.

don't get me wrong, i hate poor people and minorities, but putting more money in the hands of lower class people actually helps the economy. I'm barely middle class, i make 18 an hour but min wage in my state is 7.25. most jobs including fast food start at 9 or 10 though

This is kenysian nonsense thinking. Even modern governments don't think this way anymore. All regular goods are subsidized and held at price ceilings which is why rises in wage won't have any substantial effect, and in fact they haven't. What HAS inflated however is housing and medicinal care which inflated without minimum wage raises and will continue to do so with them. The problem is not in minimum wages for poor fags working at McDonald's. The problem is corporate taxes being too low and foreign entities buying up all the business and property in western countries. Wake up people, Tyrone earning 15 dollars is not the problem. The problem is our president paying less income tax than you, and you were brainwashed into thinking that's perfectly fine.

sure ill tell that to the majority of amerimutts who's jobs have all been shipped abroad and have no choice lmfao. They need to teach more common sense in econ101 for you fucks

I make $40/hr, so no, I do not want to see a $15 min wage unless I get a similarly proportioned raise as well. I don't want the buying power of my wage reduced just because boomers insist on taking jobs designed for kids in highschool

Raising wages without increasing housing supply or reducing the labor pool will just increase pressure on housing costs.

Anyone worth a damn in society makes over $15/hr. Everyone else is just support and should be happy they even have a job and that they're not taken out back and shot

Kek

Very true. We also agreed that a downside to this is that it also
incentives business to hire illegals.

No, I agree with this, it's one of the reasons that have led me to be hesitant to vote against these amendments.

if you have something to offer you will have more takers if the support has disposable income

>all of these useful idiots arguing against their class interests
The more workers are paid, the more they can spend.
Unless your country already allows rampant offshoring to brown children for their labor, it only makes the country more productive, while fending off domestic oligarchy.

Why not $25/hr?

Zero sum game
You can pay wagies $1,000,000 per hour minimum and all that will happen is the price of bread gets 6 zeros added as your money is now worthless

It doesn't matter. Minimum wage is a red herring. This country's economy is designed by, and for, the top 10% of the population.

Your minimum wage goes up and businesses will either cut hours, increase prices or both. Your insurance premiums also go up every year regardless. Food prices will go up, etc.

It literally does not matter. The vast majority of the population will ALWAYS be making just enough to survive and one single medical or other financial emergency is all it takes to ruin someone.

Rather than worrying about minimum wage focus on becoming part of the 10% instead. You can not escape, wagie.

I'm no longer a wagie and I hope wagies and everyone involved dies horribly

Consider that world population has increased by 50% since 1990. More nigs chasing more gibs = less of the gibblet pie for everybody.

minimum wage in US is fucked but bringing it up to $15/hr will probably be countered with rising costs. there's no real solution. america today vs 30 years ago is night and day. globalism and technological advancement of trade adversaries has changed the job market. non-professional jobs are approaching equilibrium wages with the rest of the world and that's a very shitty standard of living. want a middle class lifestyle (don't believe jew lies about 1-2% inflation per year) then work in accounting, finance, software, regulation, etc.

i voted against it in florida. i dont even make $15/hour lol, i'm a wagie. but even i can see that when a job is mandated to pay more than that job is worth, it doesnt mean the job magically pays more, it means the job goes away in some form or another. whether it's automation, staffing cuts, outsourcing, it doesnt matter how; a job will never exist that is paid more than the worth that its output is assigned. period.

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only retards don't want a 15$ an hour minimum wage. most npcs' are consumers and if you give them more money to spend, then they're going to do exactly that. its simple actually, more money consumers can spend = a healthier economy

We haven't had money for a long time user. We have debt instruments we give to greater fools.

Imagine thinking this
Let's put it at 50$ then, why stopping at 15 ?
The only good answer for minimum wage is ZERO.

Sweden have very high taxes and wages we outsource a bunch of stupid shit because it's too expensive in Sweden.

For example if you call Swedish customer service for many Swedish companies you will talk to a native Swede that live and work in Estonia or Phillipines or something.

If you buy something from Swedish retailer and return it it will be shipped to eastern europe, repackaged and then shipped back to Sweden. Again because wages are too high, taxes are too high.

My state already has that
gradual implementation baby
also we are raising taxes on the rich fucking amazing.

>people still think minimum wage raises increase unemployment
Read the DMP model or really any study in the last 30 years you illiterate retards.

and the rich are leaving, and your state is decaying, and browning rapidly, and you're going to move eventually because you dont like what happened to your state, and in your new home you'll vote the same way, and the process will repeat. truly, the left is a cancer lmao.

you're not a wagie, you're just a cuck for daddy bezos

minimum wage needs to be removed entirely. Let retards willing to work for

It’s a fucking meme. Fucking retards it will just be balanced by inflation.

>AYO NIGGA I NEED THAT 15 DOLLA MINIMUM WAGE UKNOWHAMSAYIN?

>YES SIR RIGHT AWAY SIR! RIGHT THIS WAY! WOULD YOU LIKE YOUR 10 DOLLAR BIG NAC BEFORE OR AFTER YOUR SHIFT, MY ONYX OVERLORD?

failing to refute my argument, instead resorts to insults, i have won. thank you for playing.

15 of the top 20 richest states are leftist ones though.

The federal minimum wage in the United States has not been raised in over a decade. We have under gone two major wars, a major recession and financial crisis, NOW ANOTHER depression, and the costs of housing, food, clothing, utilities, etc., have ALL gone up drastically since the last minimum wage hike.

If you're going to induct a minimum wage, it needs to be updated and adjusted regularly to keep up with inflation in order to ensure that it is livable. Neoliberal cucks like to make the "argument" that if we just eliminated the minimum wage and left it purely up to the employer how much they can pay their workers, it would magically solve poverty and the "free market" would sort itself out.

Power doesn't work like that. When someone owns the land, the factory, the equipment, the tools, the business, in essence, and someone asks this person for work (i.e. selling them their time/labor), the owner gets the final say in how much the worker gets paid. In the final analysis, they decide what you're worth, not you. You can better your chances of getting a better offer, but you do not control how much they decide they want to pay you.

$15 minimum wage would reinvigorate the economy and force corporate america to pay its employees better wages. That is more spending money for the working class. It would redistribute wealth in a sense, and the economy would see some actual recovery and growth.

Expect a lot of right wing libertarians to spout bullshit in response to this about how this is a bad thing. They live in a bubble. None of them have worked minimum wage jobs before and they jerk each other off to Ayn Rand.