We had a thread on the Lord of the Flies (1954) not too long ago.
Briefly, the plot is >Bunch of english children are stranded on an uninhabited island after a plane crash >At first they all behave as civilised englishmen, organise themselves, get a fire going etc. >Over the course of the novel, the environment slowly transforms them from civilised englishmen into polynesian savages >By the end of the book they are walking around covered with war paint, throwing spears at each other, etc.
Is this book the origin of the magic dirt idea? Are there any other novels about magic dirt that predate The Lord of the Flies?
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Joshua Gray
Bump
Asher Hughes
A book is only as good as its ending. Lord of the Flies is trash. All that build up and then... OH J/K here's a ship you're all saved. What a fucking pussy copout. Fuck that book and fuck you.
There was an ABC article recently about a real life Lord of the flies with Polynesian school boys. They ended up being less savage then normal in a survival situation.
Jayden Nguyen
they had to get saved. they murder their friends and act like total savages and set fire to the entire island but none of that would matter if their condition wasn't juxtaposed against the civilization they came from in the end to show how far they had fallen. civilization is a choice, the boys chose to be barbarians. it wasn't out of necessity that they resorted to tribalism because if they had chosen to stay together and remain civil they would have been saved regardless sans the death of piggy and whoever else.
Sebastian Nguyen
I don't agree. We see the sides divided, sure. We know where it's going, sure. But for the author to pussy out before bringing the whole scene to fruition is a slap in the face and deserves no praise. A total copout bitch ending.
Jeremiah Morgan
>environment its just the savage human nature prevails
Jonathan Long
That’s right, they were Polynesian, and there were 6 of them, not 5.
Matthew Ross
You make a good case, but it still left me unsatisfied with a bad taste in my mouth.
Angel Moore
Lotf isn't about build up, the story is about what takes place in between and how quickly that crumbles when an adult returns
Adrian Gomez
Dunno. According to that criteria all of Shakespeare's tragedies are trash.
Robert Gonzalez
Reminder that there was a real life Lord of the Flies with British children and it turned out okay.
Owen Edwards
Just finished this one. Quite redpilling, but it seems to just say fuck morality it's all about winning. Then it says society is necessary, buy property honestly, show honor to friends and kin and that a man's word is his bond. Ok but why? According to him morality gets in the way of success and causes people who fall for it to be weakened. Egalitarianism weakened the white race because people fell for moralism and unnatural gov't
I need to read more nietzsche, but very powerful book. Outlines male female interaction and how the falsehood of marx, democracy, and brotherly love destroyed our race.
lotf is as an amazing book. Unfortunatly for me it got banned from my highschool my junior year (2007) because a girl in my class got offended by a wild pig taking a spear up the ass, comparing it to the rape of women (maybe in her case). She was an early stage sjw, everyone hated her afterwards. BTW i live in the rural south. I cant believe the level of book burning since then.
I like a good tragedy, and shakespeare keeps the story going until the end. I guess I just felt that the kids hadn't fallen far enough in LotF... granted I haven't read it in a minute, but I remember I was expecting more... more downfall... more misery... idk, I was unsatisfied. But i do see some good points in here.
Camden Rivera
the ending was essential actually, because the main character (forget his name) never breaks. Same deal with the black guy from The Mist, the ending shows you that sane rational people are literally always right, and extremists should just fucking kill themselves.
Adrian Morgan
Were Englishmen ever "civilised"? Not if you ask the Irish. Is it civilized to shoot arrows and chuck spears at each other? For some reason white people did that for half a millenium. Also, dirt is Earth. It might actually be magical.
Kayden Lopez
I hope that this is a troll post
Jaxon Ross
That’s an interesting read. Not kiwi boys though.
Nicholas Mitchell
>Over the course of the novel, the environment slowly transforms them from civilised englishmen into polynesian savages Did the whole point of the book just fly over your head? The whole point of the book is that human nature, free from the constraints of civilized society, draws people away from reason toward savagery for the sake of survival and serving your own self-interests. The whole message that William Golding was trying to convey with writing "The Lord Of The Flies" is that human beings are savage by nature, and are moved by primal urges toward selfishness, brutality, and dominance over others.
Nah, the book is definitely about magic dirt. That's why the boys in the novel start to imitate the polynesians in their appearance, and start painting their bodies etc.
Hi guys I'm french boys and i read this books on school. I think this book is a good books, firstly i believe it's just books for kids but after have finishing i thinks it's a real books for clever adult
SPOIL At the end, the civilian man, with is uniform releave the kids from the nasty behavior of the little savages.
Very good books i recommand
Sebastian Robinson
I always had the interpretation that he was just jacking off Hobbes. That even proper English lads can fall into savagery without the trappings of civilization, like law, the social contract, etc.
Kayden Robinson
One of the funniest fucking books I have read in my life.
