I've been reading about about the cult dynamics in the Woke culture and I've slowly come to a realization. Opposing the SJWs and antagonizing them doesn't work, it just makes it worse. Confronting them with crime statistics is never going to make them see reason.
Any pushback will just make their beliefs stronger. They aren't just misguided idiots with dumb political views, they are actually indoctrinated using classical cult techniques. Demolishing their arguments and confronting them with uncomfortable facts will just make them believe harder and retreat back to their community. We are giving them an actual enemy and that just makes them stronger.
I think we should try a radically different approach. We need to start thinking of SJWs as cult members - there's no point hating them, we should actually try to help them escape this worldview. Every person that manages to leave the cult becomes its loudest critic and helps bring about its downfall.
If the cult of Woke is to be destroyed, we need to start deprogramming people. Zig Forums's weaponized autism is perfect for this - SJW is a primarily Internet-based cult and the members are easily accessible on Reddit and Twitter. I'm not sure how to actually go about deprogramming these people, but I think the idea is worth discussing.
One thing that I think is especially counterproductive is public humiliation by showing how idiotic their ideas are. (even though it's entertaining) They use humiliating struggle sessions among themselves to make themselves believe HARDER, it's not gonna work on them.
Private, 1-on-1 discussions, gently working towards highlighting the inconsistencies in their doctrine would definitely be more useful.
Logan Myers
Actually trying to talk to these people sounds like too much work
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.
Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. Followers feel they can never be "good enough". The group/leader is always right. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.
Nathaniel Lewis
I've been having fun of SJWs all my life. Never take them seriously agree and amplify make them look retarded.
Robert Gonzalez
Yeah, there might be better ways that are still entertaining. Mainly I'm just thinking that we could find a weak spot in that ideology and programming that we could exploit. A specific killshot meme, maybe?
Nolan Wood
Yeah, it's super easy, but it doesn't help much, does it? I doubt any of them changed their minds due to it.
Mason Miller
I wish it was that simple...the scary thing is that all this does not come from the common folk it comes from the elites, they want to destroy the west, Trump is the president and the eñites went full ACCELERATE!
This ideology might have the support of elites and institutions, but it's fundamentally inconsistent with reality and full of holes. It's not bulletproof - it depends on willing suspension of reality and human nature. We need to figure out how to break that bubble.
Xavier Cook
How do therapists get people to leave cults? Maybe a similar method could work.
Carson Peterson
This. We should call them the cult of politically correctness from now on
Jack Gutierrez
We need to teach them about Jesus.
Connor Ward
> He doesn't realize the power of Accelerationism
>Wizard
Owen Butler
Saint Yuri once stated that the biggest enemy of the communists are former communists.
I'm a transsexual professor and in the last 3 months I've been red-pilled on niggers and Jews, I blame Disney and plastic for making me trans as a kid, I now have Nazi flags and banners and an AR-15.
Angel Hall
Eight Conditions of Thought Reform as presented in Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism: A Study of "Brainwashing" in China, by Robert Jay Lifton, M.D.; W. W. Norton & Co., Inc., 1963.
Milieu Control
>The most basic feature of the thought reform environment, the psychological current upon which all else depends, is the control of human communication. Through this milieu control the totalist environment seeks to establish domain over not only the individual's communication with the outside (all that he sees and hears, reads and writes, experiences, and expresses), but also — in its penetration of his inner life — over what we may speak of as his communication with himself. It creates an atmosphere uncomfortably reminiscent of George Orwell's 1984.... (Page 420.) Purposeful limitation of all forms of communication with outside world.
>The control of human communication through environment control.
>The cult doesn't just control communication between people, it also controls people's communication with themselves, in their own minds.
Evan Martin
Mystical Manipulation
>The inevitable next step after milieu control is extensive personal manipulaton. This manipulation assumes a no-holds-barred character, and uses every possible device at the milieu's command, no matter how bizarre or painful. Initiated from above, it seeks to provoke specific patterns of behavior and emotion in such a way that these will appear to have arisen spontaneously from within the environment. This element of planned spontaneity, directed as it is by an ostensibly omniscient group, must assume, for the manipulated, a near-mystical quality. (Page 422.) Potential convert is convinced of the higher purpose within the special group.
Everyone is manipulating everyone, under the belief that it advances the "ultimate purpose."
>Experiences are engineered to appear to be spontaneous, when, in fact, they are contrived to have a deliberate effect.
>People mistakenly attribute their experiences to spiritual causes when, in fact, they are concocted by human beings.
Elijah Williams
The Demand for Purity
>The experiential world is sharply divided into the pure and the impure, into the absolutely good and the absolutely evil. The good and the pure are of course those ideas, feelings, and actions which are consistent with the totalist ideology and policy; anything else is apt to be relegated to the bad and the impure. Nothing human is immune from the flood of stern moral judgements. (Page 423.) The philosophical assumption underlying this demand is that absolute purity is attainable, and that anything done to anyone in the name of this purity is ultimately moral.
>The cult demands Self-sanctification through Purity.
Only by pushing toward perfection, as the group views goodness, will the recruit be able to contribute.
>The demand for purity creates a guilty milieu and a shaming milieu by holding up standards of perfection that no human being can attain.
>People are punished and learn to punish themselves for not living up to the group's ideals.
Ian Ortiz
>even though it's entertaining Which is why I participate at all. I have zero control over other people, but I do value amusement. I am bored. SJW's are their own punishment. Let them stew in their own juice. Kek.
It's true - for SJWs, it is all rhetoric. You can't actually debate rhetoric with things like statistics. You need to match rhetoric with rhetoric, which us spergs have trouble. 13/50 just gets shut down because it's not basedo n feels.
Think about any argument you've ever had with a woman, and you will understand what I am saying.
Matthew Brooks
The Cult of Confession
>Closely related to the demand for absolute purity is an obsession with personal confession. Confession is carried beyond its ordinary religious, legal, and therapeutic expressions to the point of becoming a cult in itself. (Page 425.) >Public confessional periods are used to get members to verbalize and discuss their innermost fears and anxieties as well as past imperfections. >The environment demands that personal boundaries are destroyed and that every thought, feeling, or action that does not conform with the group's rules be confessed.
>Members have little or no privacy, physically or mentally.
Jordan Clark
Aura of Sacred Science
>The totalist milieu maintains an aura of sacredness around its basic dogma, holding it out as an ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence. This sacredness is evident in the prohibition (whether or not explicit) against the questioning of basic assumptions, and in the reverence which is demanded for the originators of the Word, the present bearers of the Word, and the Word itself. While thus transcending ordinary concerns of logic, however, the milieu at the same time makes an exaggerated claim of airtight logic, of absolute "scientific" precision. Thus the ultimate moral vision becomes an ultimate science; and the man who dares to criticize it, or to harbor even unspoken alternative ideas, becomes not only immoral and irreverent, but also "unscientific". In this way, the philosopher kings of modern ideological totalism reinforce their authority by claiming to share in the rich and respected heritage of natural science. (Pages 427-428.) The cult advances the idea that the cult's laws, rules and regulations are absolute and, therefore, to be followed automatically.
>The group's belief is that their dogma is absolutely scientific and morally true.
>No alternative viewpoint is allowed.
>No questioning of the dogma is permitted.
Jaxson Perez
Please elaborate
Adrian Gonzalez
This. The best way to shield against the cult of Woke is to give people something else to believe in. Christianity, Buddhism, hell even just having a philosophy like stoicism would probably work.
Benjamin Adams
Loading the Language
>The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. [Slogans] The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized and easily expressed. >The cult invents a new vocabulary, giving well-known words special new meanings, making them into trite clichés. The clichés become "ultimate terms", either "god terms", representative of ultimate good, or "devil terms", representative of ultimate evil. Totalist language, then, is repetitiously centered on all-encompassing jargon, prematurely abstract, highly categorical, relentlessly judging, and to anyone but its most devoted advocate, deadly dull: the language of non-thought. (Page 429.)
>Controlling words helps to control people's thoughts.
>The group uses black-or-white thinking and thought-terminating clichés.
>The special words constrict rather than expand human understanding.
>Non-members cannot simply comprehend what cult members are talking about.
Blake Gomez
Doctrine over Person
>Another characteristic feature of ideological totalism: the subordination of human experience to the claims of doctrine. (Page 430.) >Past experience and values are invalid if they conflict with the new cult morality.
>The value of individuals is insignificant when compared to the value of the group.
>Past historical events are retrospectively altered, wholly rewritten, or ignored to make them consistent with doctrinal logic.
>No matter what a person experiences, it is belief in the dogma which is important.
>Group belief supersedes individual conscience and integrity.
Zachary Reyes
Cult of Woke. It sounds more religious, and I think it would piss them off more.
Carter Thompson
Dispensed Existence >The totalist environment draws a sharp line between those whose right to existence can be recognized, and those who possess no such right. Lifton gave a Communist example: >In thought reform, as in Chinese Communist practice generally, the world is divided into "the people" (defined as "the working class, the peasant class, the petite bourgeoisie, and the national bourgeoisie"), and "the reactionaries" or "the lackies of imperialism" (defined as "the landlord class, the bureaucratic capitalist class, and the KMT reactionaries and their henchmen"). (Page 433.)
>The group decides who has a right to exist and who does not.
>The group has an elitist world view — a sharp line is drawn by cult between those who have been saved, chosen, etc. (the cult members) and those who are lost, in the dark, etc. (the rest of the world).
>Former members are seen as "weak, " "lost," "evil," and "the enemy".
>The cult insists that there is no legitimate alternative to membership in the cult.
Aiden Morales
All of my love
Carter Campbell
based
Christopher Young
Good shit bro Saved and ready for future use
Ethan Jackson
The Woke cult accomplishes this through mass banning of people on social media, and by declaring anyone who is not a member "Alt-right adjacent" thus forbidding contact between the cultist and outside ideas.
I think documenting the methods the Cult of Woke uses to control people could be hugely beneficial.
Logan Walker
The BLM AMA on plebbit the other day met every single of these points. Impressive.
Brayden Rodriguez
Dig up every little thing you can about their leaders. Expose them for the hypocritical grifters that they are. It wont matter what we say. They need to be kicked from their movement, by their movement.
1. Not clear on this one, leadership is very scattered on progressives. 2. Check. 3. Check, BLM has recently been caught out on this. 4. Trump Derangement Syndrome? 5. Check. 6. Only ex-prog I'm aware of is that guy who went on Toe Rogan's show about a year after he got canceled...can't remember his name, I'll have to find him. 7. Again, no leadership so hard to show. 8. Check, there's always demands for more wokeness. 9. Check. 10. Also check.
The Cult of Woke creates a higher purpose by claiming that by preventing people from speaking they are literally preventing another holocaust. I imagine that significant portion of these protests are astroturfed, thus giving the impression of spontaneity to the cult members.
Chase Cox
Deprogramming a cult member is really tough. Once a person is actively invested in the cult, they'll actively resist deprogramming attempts. Even moreso if their previous encounters with "outsiders" have been negative - they won't trust anyone.
Main approach has been to isolate the cultist from the cult, but we can't really do that on the Internet. It needs to be done slowly on the thought level - something has to plant a seed of doubt in the cultist's mind.
And it's especially important not to ridicule the doubters - they enter the cult to espace perceived or real emotional pain. One bad experience with the real world will send them back to the cult, even more devoted.
