Pagans of Zig Forums, what do you have to say about the fact that all traditional European gods had their Earthly domains seized from them by Christians? Why did Zeus/Jupiter/Odin not simply strike the Christians dead as they tore down pagan temples and sacred oaks? These same gods have done a lot worse for a lot less if all the stories of antiquity are to be believed. Their silence is deafening.
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In many cases the bible plays into the narrative of the different pagan myths, in Europe and across the world.
The bible actually doesnt deny the existence of the different gods. It just says that (most of them) they are not good and non of them are to be worshipped as they are below the most high. They are even directly mentioned:
>12On that night I will pass through the land of Egypt and strike down every firstborn male, both man and beast, and I will execute judgment against all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.
All across the world there are numerous cultures stating how "people" came (down) to them and brought them knowledge and some new crafts and subsequently ruled over them and often there is a direct lineage claimed from these "gods" on which they claim their ruleship.
Now the Book of Enoch says exactly that, the fallen angels came to earth, they shared knowledge which in turn corrupted us. And they mated with our women. Here the account from Genesis:
>1Now when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, 2the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose.
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>4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward as well, when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown.
>mighty men of old, men of renown
kings and rulers, the children of the fallen angels.
Additionally to all this we have different stories of the (fallen) angels relate to that of the different gods, Michael for example correlates heavily with Jupiter/Zeus/Thor/Baal Haddad, Lucifer correlates with that of quetzacoatl of the aztecs and prometheus and somewhat Enki. Satan, which likely is Lucifer after the fall correlates with Moloch and Cronus. Gabriel I believe could be Mercury which is Hermes and seen as equal of Thoth
Jupiter is also known like Zeus, throwing his lightning bolts or thor with his thunder also being lightning to some extent
Michael is the one who threw Satan (Saturn, will get to that) down to earth as Zeus defeated Cronus.
The way Satan falls here is
>18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
Michael threw Satan (Saturn) down to earth with lightning.
So Zeus (Jupiter) defeated Cronus (Saturn) while also having lightning/storm powers
Thor (Jupiter) locked away Loki (While fairly antagonistic I couldnt identify him as a planet)
In all occasions its Jupiter is BTFOing Saturn (or in the nordic one at least an antagonist) with lightning
Also Baal (seemingly a mix of Baal Hadad, Jupiter, and Baal Hammon, Saturn) is known to have slayn an evil serpent and in general had enmity with snakes, Thor is the archenemy of Jörmungard, the worldserpent of loki that grew big enough to reach around the world biting its own tail making it a symbol for the world, but also being ouroboros which is a symbol of time that devours everything fitting back to chronus.
Michael threw satan down to earth, the serpent in garden eden.
Zeus killed Typhon a serpentlike monster that tried to take his throne of the cosmos.
The hindu Indra, Jupitarian deity, killed an evil Serpent while having lightning bolts as a power.
There is also in Egypt Set, the god of storms (again a link to the jupitarian deities with stoms and lightningbolts) that defeated Osiris, the god of the underworld being a link to death like Chronus is through time, and he also constantly thought the evil serpent Apep/Apophis
I believe Lucifer is Satan before the fall
The serpent in Eden is identified as Satan
>2He seized the dragon, the ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.
Revelation describes Michael BTFOing Satan and throwing him to earth. Earlier Satans fall is described
>18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
which i believe is a good link of Michael to Jupiterian deities and likely this is what Jesus related to when saying he is the morningstar.
Eitherway we can say from this that the serpent is satan is the dragon is a fallen angel.
Lucifer brings knowledge, the serpent did exactly this, so we can assume that Lucifer is Satan as well.
The aztecs have Quetzacoatl, the feathered serpent that brought them knowledge, like the serpent in Eden, and he is identified as the planet Venus which is Lucifer when appearing as morningstar
en.wikipedia.org
>Lucifer (/ˈljuːsJfər/ LEW-si-fər) is a name that, according to dictionaries of the English language, refers either to the Devil or to the planet Venus when appearing as the morning star.
Just like the Venus, associated with Lucifer, and even called Lucifer when appearing as morning star, The Lucifer will at some point not the morningstar anymore, not Lucifer, Satan that was Lucifer and then fell.
Same as the Pentagram, which gets drawn with the Earth and Venus, can be a symbol of protection (when pointing up) or of evil (when pointing down) having the same symbolism behind it as the planet Venus and Lucifer/Satan has
The 2 (Venus and Saturn) being connected (via Lucifer-Satan) gives also then some connections to the bull symbolism of moloch when he ruled possibly back then still as lucifer and thus is the golden calf as Venus is the planet that rules over Taurus
Also relating to this is Prometheus who brought the fire (knowledge) and because of this Pandora (a woman like Eve) unleashed all the Evil (Sin)
None of that answers my question. My post didn't even affirm or deny the existence of any gods. Why did the old gods of Europe allow the peoples they ruled over to supplant them with a foreign god?
>Michael for example correlates heavily with Jupiter/Zeus/Thor/Baal Haddad, Lucifer correlates with that of quetzacoatl of the aztecs and prometheus and somewhat Enki. Satan, which likely is Lucifer after the fall correlates with Moloch and Cronus. Gabriel I believe could be Mercury which is Hermes and seen as equal of Thoth
So why aren't these connections made explicit in the Bible? Why didn't the Bible say something like "and the angels you know as my servants are the gods of the multitudes of nations of the Earth."? Also, how did you arrive at these conclusions?
I'm not reading a wall of text about shit that's only vaguely related to the question at hand. Give me succinct and relevant answers.
Not a paganigger but huge romaboo, in the last years of paganism in the empire when Diocletian came to a priest to have a prediction he was told that the agnosticism of the world and the acts of the Christians had weakened the gods destroying their faith and thus they could not interact with the mortals anymore, but it could be propaganda and historical revisionism done by Emperor Theodosius
It took hundreds of years, numerous conflicts, and a repertoire of edicts and laws to snuff out Paganism. By no means was this an instant or quick process.
P.S. Old believers exist in the Baltics and glorious polytheist religions still live and breathe in the Middle East =)
Because low level demons have no power over Christ.
Christ has but to LIFT HIS SMALLEST FINGER TO BANISH THEM
He was made up by some terrorists in the Kumran caves.
He doesnt lift fingers lol.
>agnosticism of the world and the acts of the Christians had weakened the gods destroying their faith and thus they could not interact with the mortals anymore
The gods had their faith destroyed? I'm not sure what that means. Regardless, pretty damning for these gods to succumb to a foreign religion, no? It reminds me of the Book of Exodus when God delivers plagues to Egypt as a show of domination over it's gods.
I live in walking distance from city centre and holy grove. So your point is invalid.
lol cringefag cope.
go raise your GDP instead of LARPing on Zig Forums fagget atheist
It doesn't really matter how long it took, does it? If these gods were supreme in their own kingdoms, they should not have been defeated at all, not matter the length of time. The fact that in their place is Christ is a sign that Christ is the superior god, no?
My point is invalid because you have a handful of sacred locations left? The land of Europe was conquered by Christians. Thousands of pagan sacred sites were destroyed or converted to cathedrals, and you consider your table scraps to be a victory?
In Rome it was pretty quick, for outside uncivilised tribes it was a longer process but in the civilized world pretty much 40/50 years after the gospels were written a lot of romans were already Christian, the traditions of the old gods had died nobody believed in that bullshit, they stopped at the times of Furius Cammilus approximately and most emperors had some secret cult of theirs which was vaguely monotheistic, the Romans even tried to pull their own version of christ, Deus Sol Invictus and Mithras, literally Christianity and paganism fused, but it never took off even tho Mithraism was still practiced by some obscure military branches in Italy till the Renaissance. The last pagan Emperors tried to seriously remove Christianity for the first time since hundreds of years and had to do horrible and massive large scale purges and exterminations, especially the ones of Daia, Galerius and Licinius, when Constantine came to power and legalized Christianity almost everybody came out as Christians and was just pretending to be pagan, Rome and other cities are PACKED with catacombs and other underground Christian hangouts, paganism is and always was just atheism in larp, nobody who was slightly civilised had faith in that trash
>It doesn't matter how long it took
>>Or that it was violent
>>Or spurred on by greedy short-sighted kings looking for handouts and allies and favor with Rome
Thats true but Finnish paganism is bit more complicated than you think. Most magical places are literally in the woods so to speak. They did not build curches there but close to places where people live. Christians got the shorter straw here.
You're missing the point. I'm not saying the Christians who conquered Europe were in the right (though I do believe that) or that pagans didn't put up a good fight; I'm saying that the pagan gods who let this happen to THEIR kingdoms are weak. Imagine being Odin. You have dominion over all the peoples of Scandinavia. A foreign people come bringing a foreign god. They are destroying sacred sites dedicated to you. Why don't you destroy those foreigners with your awesome might? It's because you can't - their god is stronger.
Fair enough.
Yeah sounds kinda fake to me as well, some historians in fact believe that it's historical revisionism either done by Theodosius painting the pagan gods as larping fucks or Julian the Apostate looking for an excuse to blame the Christians and not the gods
The pagan gods are supposed to be more irritable than the God we know, so it's kinda unbelievable that God smited entire civilizations because they didn't believe in him while those larpers took the kids and never came back
It is literally almost impossible to celebrate paganism today, we don't know most of their practices for the vast majority of local faiths, you either 'betray' your local 'gods' by adopting a more mainstream form of paganism like the Roman or Greek pantheon or classic German paganism or stay an atheist in larp
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Suomenusko nigger
>it's kinda unbelievable that God smited entire civilizations because they didn't believe in him while those larpers took the kids and never came back
Could you rephrase this? I don't understand what you're saying.
They are supposed to be way more petty, irritable and non-sensical, very violent and intolerable against monotheistic religions, why didnt they oppose Christianity how Christianity opposed paganism? In the ancient testament God destroys towns, civilisations, temples, etc. just because they didn't worship him and the gods of them did not do anything they just fucked off somewhere else, they should've theoretically responded with similar anger and power, God literally sent a form of him incarnated as a man to Earth to destroy paganism, he came down himself dressed in the flesh of Jesus Christ, Zeus and other niggers were so powerful that they could come down to earth to fuck some whore and then back to the Olimpus, why didn't they stop him? Why didn't they come down from their clouds and oppose him? Because they never existed
and here I was thinking almost no one on /pol knew about it
Never underestimate the med erudite, Suomenusko>Romuva
ragnarök already happened. the gods are dead. only humans survived.
I don't know what your point is. You are conflating the physical number of believers of a God with its supposed level of power and influence. If that's your line of reasoning then where's Yours? I don't see any Christian military powers, or an organized movement to protect at-risk Christians. As a matter of fact Christianity is being consumed by Marxism just the same.
Zeus/Odin/Thor are archetypes of humanity. They didn't do shit because the people didn't do shit. They are killed by their own kings who saw perpetual security and authority to proclaim themselves chosen kings of God. Christianity exists and thrives because it exploits the worst aspects of human kind. The world is shit because Christians had a lot of babies and pagans were slaughtered but the leftist mob and local authorities. Just like today.
That didn't really happen in most of the world though. Sure, for Europeans, but India and Japan, for instance, very much have their pagan traditions in tact.
The gods had largely abandoned us by the time of Hesiod, and we have been awaiting the end of the Iron Age since the ~950 BCE.
The only gods that remain are lesser deities and daemons from the Golden Age of Cronos, and the main gods only visit the earth from time to time.
Golden Age came to its end with Hellfire, earthquakes and magma, when Zeus and his allies toppled Cronos.
Silver Age came to its end with the fall of a star and lightning bolts, because man was impious.
Bronze Age came to its end with the Flood of Deucalion and Pyrrha.
And the Iron Age will end with absolute entropy, disillusion, and the slow decay of death.
> "During this age, humans live an existence of toil and misery. Children dishonor their parents, brother fights with brother and the social contract between guest and host (xenia) is forgotten. During this age, might makes right, and bad men use lies to be thought good. At the height of this age, humans no longer feel shame or indignation at wrongdoing; babies will be born with gray hair and the gods will have completely forsaken humanity: "there will be no help against evil."
Read Hesiod, Homer, Pindar, and Aeschylus larper.
>bacteria and viruses are obviously the highest forms of life on earth because people die of infections all the time
Connection with the gods was weakened as the Jewish demon feasts on the soul of the goyim cattle
Were the gods not incenced that their holy places were being torn down or handed over to the semetic God?
>Aeschylus
The retard who was supposedly brought back to life by Dionisus in The Frogs, didn't see him around tho
>Homer
Literally did not exist
Why didn't YHWH save the Jewish temple? Why didn't Jesus save the mideast from Muslim hordes?
Doesn’t bother me at all. You cannot erase the values that gave rise to the gods, the core of which is having multiple option to choose from. From these multiple options arises freedom, and the gods, and western civilization. All I have to is wait until this latest embarrassing version of monotheism dies out completely, and when it’s gone, the gods will simply re-emerge. Simple as that. You can smash some idols, you can cut down a million Donar trees, but you cannot destroy that which gives rise to the gods. If they die, they will always be reborn.
Ok Gennaro, time to go back in your manlet-sized Trullo, don't worry the God of gibsmedat is still in palazzo Chigi
i just try to give some background. im arguing on the correctness of the bible being confirmed by the pagan account. also it is said they are gods, its just lost in translation.
The term used for the angels, as a bunch of other things, is "Elohim", plural of "El"
El likely just means "high" or powerfull" and elohim (plural of El) is the group of supernatural beings that are that, high and powerfull, and once they fell and LARPed as gods (annunaki, likely egyptian and aztec gods too) elohim became knows as gods
en.wikipedia.org
> ʾĒl ʿElyōn is usually rendered in English as "God Most High"
meaning that either el or elyon is most high, and El is likely high and elyon "most high" or "highest"
God occasionally is called with Elohim, which makes people claim there are multiple Gods in the bible, however there is something called the majestic plural
en.wikipedia.org
Basically, to signify someones outstanding position in a field you turn the designation into a plural. the master of masters in a field would be called with the plural masters, same for the highest of the high, the elyon of the elohim being called elohim. In hebrew you recognize the majestic plural by the plural designation when its used together with a singular verb or adjective which is always the case when elohim is mentioned in relation of the one God.
gotquestions.org
calling God Elohim then means he takes a special position among the elohim which are his angels. now this also relates to some other verses
1The LORD answered Moses, “See, I have made you like God (Uses Elohim here again) to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.
stating how moses got the special position among all highs to the pharaos. he most certainly didnt make Moses into multiple gods showing that Elohim is commonly used in Singular as well.
So „el“ is just a designation of something „high“. RaphaEL, MichaEL, GabriEL.
Gods are only philosophical, if you want proof; challenge them to a fistfight.
Similary we have "Baal"s, where as Baal just means "Lord"
en.wikipedia.org
>Baal (/ˈbeJəl, ˈbɑːəl/),[1][a] properly Baʿal, was a title and honorific meaning "owner," "lord
There were many, earthly rulers called Baal, but also the heavenly, the different deities, all declaring themselves to be Lord.
Also "Melech" meaning King
en.wikipedia.org
Or ""Malak"/"Melek" being Angel being likely the source for the name of Moloch/Molek, considering that ancient scripts dont have vowels, making them all MLCH or MLK as well as showing that "Angel" and "King" share the same root.
Now we have God, he wants to reveal himself and the guy comes up saying "Who or what are you?" and since God is from beyond this world there are no terms of this world to describe him. Thus he uses earthly terms in distinguished ways. People are led by kings? He says "I am the King of Kings". They have Lords over them? God tells them "I am the Lord of Lords", they worship the Elohim, the fallen angels, the high beings, he tells them "I am the most high, El Elyon/Elohim of Elohim" using familliar terms in distinguished ways
This text here is a really good description how the Bibles fits that of other Pantheons and shows the uses of "Elohim"
thedivinecouncil.com