Sunday Biblestudies: Sinners welcome

ITT we discuss the message, teachings and history of The Holy Bible

>Christianity comes from Judaism
Its actually the other way around.
Back in the day there was no Judaism, just the faith of Abraham and later the Israelites. At the time Jesus came there were 3 main sects, The Essenes (The only ones native to Judeah), the Sadduccess and the Pharisee (both being not native to Judeah).
The Pharisee are the Edomites (descendent of Amalek which the Israelites were told to genocide and which descent from the Canaanites which worshipped Moloch and such) which previously were forced to convert. However they really liked their old customs which were unlawful and thus they created the Oral Law. You know how in Court a Jew will use semantics, grey areas, loopholes and other pilpul to argue they didnt break a law which they never followed completly ignoring the intent behind the law? The Oral Law of the Pharisee is a guideline on how to do that with the OT Law.
This is the group of people pretty much all quarrels Jesus had was with and they were constantly rebuked for this by him, God himself, for being hypocrites, a brood of Vipers, even the children of the devil. Even their name describes them seperating themselves from the original
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
>"Pharisee" is derived from Ancient Greek Pharisaios (Φαρισαῖος),[8] from Aramaic Pərīšā (Hebrew: פְּרִישָׁא), plural Pərīšayyā (Hebrew: פְּרִישַׁיָּא), meaning "set apart, separated"
So by all means the Pharisee splitted themselves off from the original faith which became known and was continued through Christianity and thus by all practical means was Pre-Christ-Christianity.

This Oral Law of the Pharisee then after a few 100 years got written down in the (Babylonian) Talmud starting what is now known as Judaism. So its not that Christianity is based on Judaism, but that Judaism is a collection of blasphemies and herasies of Christianity

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sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmoney/Home/the-seven-headed-dragon
theopenscroll.com/cainsPaternity.htm
sefaria.org/Targum_Jonathan_on_Genesis.4?lang=bi
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraph
jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/mullins_curse_of_canaan.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek
documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0037-0103,_Flavius_Josephus,_De_Bello_Judaico,_EN.pdf
tertullian.org/fathers/jerome_chronicle_03_part2.htm
icr.org/article/greatest-earthquakes-bible/
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenites
documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0037-0103,_Flavius_Josephus,_The_Antiquities_Of_The_Jews,_EN.pdf
strawpoll.me/20458996
youtube.com/watch?v=-s7S2gmzYk4&feature=emb_logo
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ararat
sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm
telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html
web.archive.org/web/20170319164635/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuya
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Romans were on Jesus side

Jesus' Crime - INRI
At the time there was the Edomite Herod the great King over Judeah, even though the King must come from the line of David making his claim unrightful. So when he heard from the 3 Magi that they were on their way to greet the new born Messiah and king of Ioudaios (the descendents of Judah and original inhabitors of Judeah) Herod feared about his position and ordered every male child in Betlehem 2 years or under to be killed to keep his throne.
Now the Messiah, Jesus, had quarrels all the time with the local authorities, with the Pharisee which are Edomites that converted to Yahwehism but perverted the teachings like we see the modern "Jews" do today with their Talmud. This all happened when when Judeah was controlled by Rome, with Pontius Pilates as the representative, but leaving the country semi-autonomous.
So Passover came along and by law Pilates was forced to release death sentenced prisoner by public vote. They could choose between Jesus and the "notorious prisoner" Barabbas. The "People", the Pharisee, which are the modern Kikes, chose Barabass to be released over Jesus
>20But the chief priests and elders persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus put to death.

>22“What then should I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” Pilate asked. They all answered, “Crucify Him!”
>23“Why?” asked Pilate. “What evil has He done?” But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify Him!”
So Rome was in favor of sparing Jesus but the Pharisee wanted him dead.
Since Pilates feared another revolt to break out, of which one just ended he gave in and let them execute him.

In the end he put a plague on Jesus cross stating his crime he was sentenced for like it was custom.
>INRI
>Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum
>Jesus the Nazarene, King of the Judeans
Recognizing Jesus rightful claim of ruleship over the people, that he was right about everything and at the same time declaring Herods ruleship illegitimite

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We are meant to love everyone unconditionally. But if your child is about to harm himself, dont you stop it and discipline it?
>10Our fathers disciplined us for a short time as they thought best, but God disciplines us for our good, so that we may share in His holiness. 11No discipline seems enjoyable at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it yields a peaceful harvest of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
For the same reason the pacifistic and passive version of Christianity that commonly taught everyhwere is contrary to all that is preached. All throughout the OT God punished the evil and discplined them, Jesus chased out the money changers from the Temple and in the end will destroy all evil.
You need to view the sermon on the mount from Gods perspective. We constantly sin against him, insult and anger him, if he wouldnt turn the other cheek we would be long gone.
>23Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Lord GOD. Wouldn’t I prefer that he turn from his ways and live?
If I constantly take revenge in the name of justice the family/friends will avange him for which your people will avenge yourself back and will continue to do so until eternity.
The only way to break this cycle is to make a sacrifice of yourself and forgive, forsake your rightful claim for the sake of starting an improvement. Eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.
We should never act out of anger or hatred, but that does not mean to completely forsake punishment.
>But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
We can only forgive and turn the other cheek if we are the ones who are transgressed, only then we can forsake the punishment for the sake of mercy. If someone is about to murder another, you are in no position to forgive the murder and as such are required to take action

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In many cases the bible plays into the narrative of the different pagan myths, in Europe and across the world.

The bible actually doesnt deny the existence of the different gods. It just says that (most of them) they are not good and non of them are to be worshipped as they are below the most high. They are even directly mentioned:
>12On that night I will pass through the land of Egypt and strike down every firstborn male, both man and beast, and I will execute judgment against all the gods of Egypt. I am the LORD.
All across the world there are numerous cultures stating how "people" came (down) to them and brought them knowledge and some new crafts and subsequently ruled over them and often there is a direct lineage claimed from these "gods" on which they claim their ruleship.
Now the Book of Enoch says exactly that, the fallen angels came to earth, they shared knowledge which in turn corrupted us. And they mated with our women. Here the account from Genesis:
>1Now when men began to multiply on the face of the earth and daughters were born to them, 2the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they took as wives whomever they chose.
[...]
>4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and afterward as well, when the sons of God had relations with the daughters of men. And they bore them children who became the mighty men of old, men of renown.
>mighty men of old, men of renown
kings and rulers, the children of the fallen angels.


Additionally to all this we have different stories of the (fallen) angels relate to that of the different gods, Michael for example correlates heavily with Jupiter/Zeus/Thor/Baal Haddad, Lucifer correlates with that of quetzacoatl of the aztecs and prometheus and somewhat Enki. Satan, which likely is Lucifer after the fall correlates with Moloch and Cronus. Gabriel I believe could be Mercury which is Hermes and seen as equal of Thoth

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I think you are the user from the other thread. What is the thing with the Bible? I "read" the old and new testament but they felt "strange" to me. I can sense the message, but I dont feel it is part of my heritage.

Why we need Jesus Christ:

When a Christian says you are going to hell unless you believe its not meant to be demeaning or insulting, nor is it meant to portray themselves as better or even as Saints. In fact its quite the opposite. Its a display of compassion that they care for what happens to you. It is meant to tell you that we ALL are sinners, no matter how small, and no matter how small the sin is it is grounds for damnation.
>23For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In fact God wouldnt even need a reason to send us into oblivion if he desires to, we are his regardless and he can do as he pleases
>19One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?” 20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?”g 21Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special occasions and another for common use?
>22What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction? 23What if He did this to make the riches of His glory known to the vessels of His mercy, whom He prepared in advance for glory
However it is because he loves us, despite our faults and errors, our blasphemies and aggression against him, that our existence can still be justified, through Gods love and mercy. Without this EVERY Christian would be just as damned. This is the great difference between believers and non believers, as we realized our faults and admit them and try to overcome them instead of masking them as "natural" or "normal" and endulge ourselves into it further. All God desires is that we recognize and choose the truth, that is Jesus Christ, over the lie no matter how comforting the lie is. Choose good over evil by choosing to follow Christ and accept his salvation

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>7So He said to them again, “Truly, truly, I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who came before Me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate. If anyone enters through Me, he will be saved. He will come in and go out and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness.
>11I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12The hired hand is not the shepherd, and the sheep are not his own. When he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf pounces on them and scatters the flock. 13The man runs away because he is a hired servant and is unconcerned for the sheep.
>14I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep and My sheep know Me, 15just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father. And I lay down My life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.
Do you recognize the voice of Jesus, that is the truth in his teachings,? Do you feel called by those and chose to follow them? Then you are on the right path and very likely one of his sheep.

the MKUltra thread? yes. As for feeling strange i have no idea. What you should be thinking about wether it is true or not. Also personally I believe the Israelites to be the whites with the modern kikes being edomite imposters (not that this matters much on the grand scale, just bringing it up usualy because people always try to claim christianity is jewish or foreign)

I may be a fool, but what if the concept of hell is just another metaphor for free will? You say that hell isnt "punishment", so am I able to leave hell? Is it possible to repent even after death? You say he can do as he pleases, so I would be able to acknowledge God even if my soul is in hell?

Glad to catch up with you. For the Israelites - I dont know. I think that Abrahamitism got subverted by groups who dont want to follow the natural order of the creator - thats where you get the "kikes" from.
Back to the topic: I think its true. I believe that there is a deity which is called "creator". Maybe the bible just hasnt the answers Im looking for.

well, "hell" is a difficult matter to be honest. There are multiple different afterlifes mentioned in the bible, and it feels that depending on translation sometimes different ones are conflated and sometimes one gets different names in the translation. Additionaly the jump from hebrew to greek between OT and NT makes things more complicated. Im planning for a while to go through the different mentions, look up the original term and make a list of their descriptions to see which is which for sure, but since im a lazy piece of shit i didnt do that and as such I cant really say. But generaly this is what I think:
Fire is always an element of transformation and purification. As such those that get thrown into hell, the eternal flames, it is so that their corruption gets burned away and purified. When no good is left over you will burn wholly until nothing is left (you wouldnt repeant either way). Now if you look up near death experiences they will tell you often that a moment appears like an eternity, likewise the moment of the second death in hell will be the same.

sites.google.com/site/livingwithoutmoney/Home/the-seven-headed-dragon
Basically this text claims that the whole genesis story of the bible relates to banking and usury through puns and wordplays.
So is Cain a wordplay on "purchase" and the snake decieving can mean "loaning" "hiring" "Indebting" or something along those lines. So when Eve said
>The serpent deceived me
it means Eve was loaned something, from which cain, the serpent seed (this text here makes a really good case for the Cain being the offspring of Eve and the Serpent while Abel is from Adam and Eve theopenscroll.com/cainsPaternity.htm ), the purchase was born. The same wordplay between decieve or credited/loaned also fits "snakebite". This means the deception is the loan/credit which is the deadly venomous bite of snake/creditor. The word "Canaan" is also related to Cain and means as much as "commerce" or "trade". The Canaanites are as I believe off spring of Cain. So the snake indebted Eve and Adam, which created the purchase, cain, which resulted in Adam and Eve leaving paradise. The purchase or trade, Cain, also becomes the first murderer. The land of Canaan, the land of trade and commerce is where todays Israel is. Canaanites by this definition are everyone who fell for the greed of the commerce, and these are also the same people the God told his people to completly wipe out.

When later Noah got drunk on wine making Ham see his Nakedness (Usually seen as either raping Noah, his father, or fucking Noahs wife/his mother) this is also a play on word meaning that he was hired. By hiring/loaning his father he raped him. Later when the bible speaks of nations or persons getting drunk on the wine it implies them loaning money, which makes them feel like drunk, euphoric, resulting in degeneracy, blasphemy and evil in general through the spirit of commerce that dwells in them.

However I believe this is just one of many meanings of Genesis which are all right and important

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Jesus said that sabbath is made for the son of man not the other way and gave as an example the story of David
Why in the comments of my Bible it is written that son of man only applies to Jesus if he used in his example David
If men can decide whether they abide sabbath according to their needs (even very small needs like being hungry) why was the isreali killed in the OT for collecting firewood?

Matthew 21:33-46
33“Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35“The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38“But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41“He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

42Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:

“‘The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;
the Lord has done this,
and it is marvelous in our eyes’ ?

43“Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. 44Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”

45When the chief priests and the Pharisees heard Jesus’ parables, they knew he was talking about them. 46They looked for a way to arrest him, but they were afraid of the crowd because the people held that he was a prophet.

Matthew 22:41-46
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42“What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”

“The son of David,” they replied.

43He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,

44“‘The Lord said to my Lord:

“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’

45If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?” 46No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Come on. Dont tell yourself that you are a lazy piece of shit while gathering all that knowledge. The translation thing could be major - I always knew that I dont read the bible in its original way. I have an old Wälzer which includes the OT and the NT and I have a copy of the Gideons (those guys who went to schools and handout the NT). Reading the NT felt like reading a distorted thing. I know its the right message, but they couldnt transcribe it in the way it should be.

Matthew 23:1-12
1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.

5“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries a wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.

8“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.

Can you recommend some (german) books besides the bible about the Abel-Cain-Dichotomy?

Bible on niggers
>And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The serpent, Satan, here is said to have produced offspring with Eve. Now Eve got Cain and Abel (and Seth, which we dont go into here).
theopenscroll.com/cainsPaternity.htm
This text goes deeper into the stuff of Cain being the serpents off-spring

Cain, who is the offspring of Eve and the serpent then kills his brother Abel. For this Cain got cursed.
>12"When you cultivate the ground, it will no longer yield its strength to you; you will be a vagrant and a wanderer on the earth."
>And the LORD appointed a sign for Cain, so that no one finding him would slay him.
This Curse made the land not bare fruit to him, and "marked" him

Now we skip a bit of time until after the flood. people mixed with each other, everyone has some Seed of the Serpent in him, but not all express that seed and thus the curse but because its mixed into everyone, everyone is a sinner in the christian ideology. We go to Noah when he was blackout drunk and his son Ham was "seeing Noahs nakedness" (probably raped him). When Noah woke up:
>And he said: Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
Note that Canaan is also considdered to be of the Seed of the Serpent, which at this point got its second curse.
They are unable to agriculture, "servants of servants" aka slaves, and are "marked". Does sound a lot like niggas which in all these years still cant farm, are historically usually used as slaves and are marked by their skincolour
remember how the niggers engaged in cannibalism and all the other degenerate stuff.

All the stuff about humans allegedly not being properly adapted to this planet, and the degeneration of genes comes from this corruption which was mixed into everyone

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The aramaic targum states that Eve desired the angel.
sefaria.org/Targum_Jonathan_on_Genesis.4?lang=bi
>And Adam knew Hava his wife, who had desired the Angel; and she conceived, and bare Kain; and she said, I have acquired a man, the Angel of the Lord.
hinting towards this for example.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraph
A seraph (/ˈsɛrəf/, "the burning one"/"serpent";
A serpent as a class of angels, that is the angel of she conceived Cain from, the serpent.

Greek Septuagint also hints towards Eves desire more clearly in Genesis 3 than others
>6 And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes to look upon and beautiful to contemplate, and having taken of its fruit she ate, and she gave to her husband also with her, and they ate.
Pretty clear that it was about looks, aka sexual desire.

Some older Bibles also go into more detail on this.

no idea to be honest. Best I can think of is that the work of the man in Numbers is something that could be done on any day, where there was no urgency behind it. he could easily have done it any other day.
Jesus disciples in Mark just picked something up while passing through, having to eat something eventualy either way, didnt go out of their way to do work.

not really. All my info I collected bit by bit through threads, saving what is valuable and using it in the next thread. As such im missing sources to point towards to. "The Curse of Canaan" I think goes into this direction, and even though i didnt read it was recommended quite a few times to me.
jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/mullins_curse_of_canaan.pdf

the bible is pretty gay
maybe i'll change my mind if they delete the old testament or something

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Ja,
Aptowitzer - Kain und Abel in der Agada den Apokryphen _ 1922
It's on library genesis

Since when are Gabriel and Michael among the fallen?

Ok. I thought maybe you had some literature about the "Curse of Cain" and its connections to Canaan. My english isnt the best, so english-written books are a no-go for me. Its a shame german literature is silent about this topic.

Read my comment please...

Sorry. Wasnt fast enough with typing. Have you read it? Why do you recommend it?

>>And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The serpent, Satan, here is said to have produced offspring with Eve.
That is your interpretation. There is nowhere said that they fucked.
>Does sound a lot like niggas which in all these years still cant farm, are historically usually used as slaves and are marked by their skincolour
Again your interpretation. Something like being black should be mention. Being "marked" is very wide concept and can be anything.
Are you a member of one of the christian sects that specialize in interpreting bible. Because i swear i talked with some duo about bible a few years ago. They put forward similar ideas.

kikes are not israelites nor semites but the Edomites that lived in judeah
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom
>The Edomites first established a kingdom ("Edom") in the southern area
of modern Jordan and later migrated into southern parts of the Kingdom of Judah ("Idumea", or modern southern Israel/Negev)
Eventually they were forced to convert
>They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 BC), who forcibly converted them, among others, to Judaism

And around that same time the Pharisee that follow the oral law come around
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
>The Pharisees preserved the Pharisaical oral law in the form of the Talmud
like we have today the kikes follow the Tal Mud and which was repeatedly rebuked by Jesus, telling them they are children of Satan.

Now Edomites are the descendents of Essau, the brother of Jacob/Israel who decided to wage war his brother and his people.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edom
>The Hebrew word Edom means "red", and is derived from the name of its founder Esau

Now to do this Essau joined Amalek
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek
>According to the Bible, Amalek was the son of Eliphaz (himself the son of Esau, ancestor of the Edomites)

Which thus, together with Essau became the Edomites (plus a couple other things mixed in likely).
The Amalek are known as Israels nemesis and who fits the whites nemesis better than the kikes? The Amalek are a canaanite tribe. Canaan is the son of Ham who was one of the three sons of Noah (Abraham coming from Shem, S(h)emites). Now the Hamites are traditionally black and indeed canaans curse hints to him becoming a slave like the blacks did. Furthermore i believe the biblical first black (can go into this) was Cain, who himself was the son of Eve and the serpent. This is the line of kikes, those that say they are jews, but are liars instead. The Synagogue of Satan and they came through the Hamitic line, thus are basically white skinned niggers

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from Flavius Josephus
documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0037-0103,_Flavius_Josephus,_De_Bello_Judaico,_EN.pdf
>2. For there are three philosophical sects among the Jews. The followers of the first of which are the Pharisees; of the second, the Sadducees; and the third sect, which pretends to a severer discipline, are called Essens. These last are Jews by birth, and seem to have a greater affection for one another than the other sects have.

so the closest relation the kikes have to the israelites is through Esau who mixed himself into the canaanites

Esau originally had the birthright to take over the tribe as a first born. However after a day of work on the field he went inside and asked his brother for something to drink or eat, for which Jacob demanded Esaus birthright. Esau agreed, and thus got what he wanted and Jacob got the birthright from Esau. However after this Esau wanted it back, Jacob didnt want to return it, and thus Esau parted from his family, joined a canaanite tribe that became known as Amalek (the Israelites nemesis) to wage war on Jacob/Israel. These eventually (likely with a couple others mixed into) became the Edomites which are todays Kikes. And to this day they still demand the birthright back from Israel (The white man). Their hate of whites is actually envy, they want what we have. Thats why they undergo plastic surgery to appear more european, take on germanic last names and yiddish is even just some fake german. They try to genocide whites so that they can take their position of chosen people they believe they inherited from Esau, without anyone else being left to rightfully claim that position.

Other than the kikes however Esau made up with Jacob/Israel again eventually, but (((they))) refuse to follow the lead to this day.

They arent, i meant to say that the angels in general, fallen or not, are part of it. Think of for example Olympians vs Titans as Michael and his angels vs Satans rebellion

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It's a thorough investigation of the Cain-and-Abel dichotomy through Christian (Judeo-Christian), Greek, and Islamic literature. It's also one of the only books on this in German.

Ah, I understand your meaning now. The archangels were possibly deified by the people, and those angels were not necessarily seeking for that deification. Thanks for clarifying that for me

I'm OCR'ing a copy now in case you want to just search through it specifically for references to Canaan -> Cain. I can put it on volafile or something.

Thanks for the hint. Im still a bit confused since its written by a jew and its only available by "private" salesmen. Although I hate it, I have to stick to the pdf.

Yes, but he's Hasidic, and his works are truly scholarly. I mean, trash out what you don't like, but the Jews are genuinely good at biblical hermeneutics.

Got any redpills on Star Wars, Germanbro? "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" sounds pretty satanic.

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Extra Canonical Evidence for Jesus:

Mark 15
>And the sixth hour having come, darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour
Matthew 27:51:
>"And the earth shook and the rocks were split"
The secular Roman historian Phlegon documented an eclipse and earthquake around the exact same time, matching the Gospel account:
>in the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad, an eclipse of the sun happened, greater and more excellent than any that had happened before it; at the sixth hour, day turned into dark night, so that the stars were seen in the sky, and an earthquake in Bithynia toppled many buildings of the city of Nicaea
tertullian.org/fathers/jerome_chronicle_03_part2.htm

Africanus in 221 AD
>On the whole world there pressed a most fearful darkness; and the rocks were rent by an earthquake, and many places in Judea and other districts were thrown down. This darkness Thallus, in the third book of his History, calls, as appears to me without reason, an eclipse of the sun. For the Hebrews celebrate the passover on the 14th day according to the moon, and the passion of our Savior falls on the day before the passover; but an eclipse of the sun takes place only when the moon comes under the sun. And it cannot happen at any other time but in the interval between the first day of the new moon and the last of the old, that is, at their junction: how then should an eclipse be supposed to happen when the moon is almost diametrically opposite the sun
He references here Thallus who wrote his work "around 52 AD" which has been lost in time though, but is referenced by Africanus.

Also geological evidence of a heavy earthquake in/around 33 AD
icr.org/article/greatest-earthquakes-bible/

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King Abgar V had an exchange of words with Jesus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abgar_V
Historian Eusebius quotes the Edessan archives:
>Abgar, ruler of Edessa, to Jesus the good physician who has appeared in the country of Jerusalem, greeting. I have heard the reports of you and of your cures as performed by you without medicines or herbs. For it is said that you make the blind to see and the lame to walk, that you cleanse lepers and cast out impure spirits and demons, and that you heal those afflicted with lingering disease, and raise the dead. And having heard all these things concerning you, I have concluded that one of two things must be true: either you are God, and having come down from heaven you do these things, or else you, who does these things, are the son of God. I have therefore written to you to ask you if you would take the trouble to come to me and heal all the ill which I suffer. For I have heard that the Jews are murmuring against you and are plotting to injure you. But I have a very small yet noble city which is great enough for us both

Jesus:
>Blessed are you who hast believed in me without having seen me. For it is written concerning me, that they who have seen me will not believe in me, and that they who have not seen me will believe and be saved. But in regard to what you have written me, that I should come to you, it is necessary for me to fulfill all things here for which I have been sent, and after I have fulfilled them thus to be taken up again to him that sent me. But after I have been taken up I will send to you one of my disciples, that he may heal your disease and give life to you and yours.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ
>Christus, from whom the name [Note by OP: Christians] had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa

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From the Ante-Nicene Fathers, a letter from King Abgar to Tiberius Caesar
en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ante-Nicene_Fathers/Volume_VIII/Memoirs_of_Edessa_And_Other_Ancient_Syriac_Documents/Moses_of_Chorene/Chapter_8
>Abgar, king of Armenia, to my Lord Tiberius, emperor of the Romans, greeting:—
>I know that nothing is unknown to your Majesty, but, as your friend, I would make you better acquainted with the facts by writing. The Jews who dwell in the cantons of Palestine have crucified Jesus: Jesus without sin, Jesus after so many acts of kindness, so many wonders and miracles wrought for their good, even to the raising of the dead. Be assured that these are not the effects of the power of a simple mortal, but of God. During the time that they were crucifying Him, the sun was darkened, the earth was moved, shaken; Jesus Himself, three days afterwards, rose from the dead and appeared to many. Now, everywhere, His name alone, invoked by His disciples, produces the greatest miracles: what has happened to myself is the most evident proof of it. Your august Majesty knows henceforth what ought to be done in future with respect to the Jewish nation, which has committed this crime; your Majesty knows whether a command should not be published through the whole universe to worship Christ as the true God.

well, that the mark is the blackness is my theory based on their curses describing niggers fairly well, but yes its not a strong link.
However on the Canaan-Cain connection, there are the Kennites
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenites
>Their eponymous ancestor may have been Cain (Kain)
likely descendents of Cain. These lived eventualy in Canaan continuing the line of Cain after the flood. Eventualy the tribes fused and became one over time, and from these the later Edomites are born in case of the angels yes, the fallen angels though wanted the worship to corrupt man and draw them away from God

The answer from Tiberius
>Tiberius, emperor of the Romans, to Abgar, king of the Armenians, greeting:
>Your kind letter has been read to me, and I wish that thanks should be given to you from me. Though we had already heard several persons relate these facts, Pilate has officially informed us of the miracles of Jesus. He has certified to us that after His resurrection from the dead He was acknowledged by many to be God. Therefore I myself also wished to do what you propose; but, as it is the custom of the Romans not to admit a god merely by the command of the sovereign, but only when the admission has been discussed and examined in full senate, I proposed the affair to the senate, and they rejected it with contempt, doubtless because it had not been considered by them first. But we have commanded all those whom Jesus suits, to receive him amongst the gods. We have threatened with death any one who shall speak evil of the Christians. As to the Jewish nation which has dared to crucify Jesus, who, as I hear, far from deserving the cross and death, was worthy of honour, worthy of the adoration of men—when I am free from the war with rebellious Spain, I will examine into the matter, and will treat the Jews as they deserve

From Flavius Josephus
documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/0037-0103,_Flavius_Josephus,_The_Antiquities_Of_The_Jews,_EN.pdf
>3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians,

Weren't there two factions of angels? One faction visited the South Americans as well, which is why the Mormons believe Jesus visited the Americas, too.

I dont want to argue with that. It seems like you read some of his works and I googled him for 10 minutes. Im not excluding jews from my library (like Weininger) but I still have a "contrary" point of view regarding the jews.

Why haven't you taken this poll yet?
strawpoll.me/20458996

God Bless
I enjoyed this conversion message from a messianic jew. The sound quality is a bit shit, but its a good story, and a reminder how much these modern 'jews' hate Christ.
Jews aren't really 'allowed' to read for themselves and have to take interpreted meanings from rabbis (like muslims), so they are being led astray from the Lamb of God, Christ our Redeemer.

Testimony - Messianic Rabbi Zev Porat
youtube.com/watch?v=-s7S2gmzYk4&feature=emb_logo

Short one in Israel, a small remnant of Christians.

The Forbidden Chapter: Isaiah 53 in the Hebrew Bible
youtube.com/watch?v=cGz9BVJ_k6s&feature=emb_logo

The Testimonium Flavium is a forgery that appeared in the manuscript succession between Origen and Eusebius. Origen had never heard of it.

That "letter" is also a medieval forgery.

A healthy skepticism is good - I'm the same as you.
Anyways, I'll upload it at /r/1bayx5qaw on Volafile. The room should be labeled with the book title. The file will last for two days.

I dont see Abel and Cain as humans. So it makes no sense to see someone as descendants from them. Especially this dichotomy is the perfect metaphor for persona (Maske). Abel and Cain are real, but they represent the two-sided coin which is called free will.

The concept of Chosen people:
So what are the Chosen people? Originally it were the descendent of Abraham>Isaac>Jacob by blood. With Christ however everyone who believes in and follows him is heir to the promise of given to Abraham.
However the meaning of "chosen" I believe is widely misrepresented. For example the "Chosen people cant do wrong, everything they do is the will of God and totally ok and anyone opposing them will be cursed" is just some pilpul probably coming from the Talmud. Chosen means chosen to spread the word of God across the world. Chosen to display the glory of God through your own deeds and letting them know your father through you. Chosen to lead as a good example.
>9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Greek; 10but glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, first for the Jew, then for the Greek. 11For God does not show favoritism.
Meant to be that good example we are the first to be rewarded, so that other people see the mercy and generousity of God, but we are also the first to be punished when doing wrong, so the others see what misbehavior leads to and because it would be Hypocritical to tolerate with your own people what they do while punishing other

Also you need to consider that modern Kikes are not the Israelites/Judeans of the bible which were whites

basically gnosticism. left hand vs right hand path, turning God, the force, into an uncaring force of nature that doesnt care weather you choose good or evil creating a moral relativistic stance.

there were those that obbeyed God and those that rebelled. But yes, we find the stories all around the world as these were global events. Think of quetzalcoatl, the feathered knowledge bringing serpent. doenst that ring a bell?

there is another passage from jospehus on Jesus though, even if you want to doubt the quoted one.

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Careful of Eisegesis.

Thanks. I will take a look at it. Be blessed, friend.

Cain and Abel are an extension of free will. One radiates, the other absorbs. One illuminates, the other darkens. This is why the mark of Cain was thought to be dark skin - but it's "dark skin" in the sense that you are cloaked in wickedness.
Serving others, like Jesus, versus serving yourself, like Saul.

Also a clumsy interpolation. Only the mention of John the Baptist is of any credible use there. And that is problematic because it upsets the apple cart of dating. If John B did not begin his ministry until 36AD, then all the traditional dates for the crucifixion of either 30 or 33 are wrong.

Deploying Josephus opens a lot of unnecessary worm cans.

Whats the deal with the left hand and the right hand? I can see it as a metaphor, but how does it correlate with faith?

the white race are the actual chosen people, the Israelites. This gets clear already when you see that Mount Aratat, where Noah landed with his arc is the same place where the white people, caucasusoids, come frome from, the Caucasus
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ararat
It is also known that the blue eyed people all have a common anchestor
sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080130170343.htm
Which most likely was Adam or Noah if the timeframe is off

Furthermore the blue eyed white people are known across the world to come around and bring technology and knowledge and rule them for some time like the seed of promise is prophesized to do.
The sumerians believed the blue eyed white people where gods, the annunaki (even though i came to believe that the blue eyed possibly are other people during the sumerians, they at least have the blue eyed people and swastika as well).
The Aztecs as well, and describe them from coming over the sea with a ship that moved on its own.
The chinese talk about blue eyed and blonde haired people who created a civilization and ruled for some time. A lot of egyptians mummies are shown to have had blonde hair etc.
And Europeans were the first in the Americas as well
telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-age-Europeans-were-the-first-to-set-foot-on-North-America.html

Hitlers Ahnenerbe tried to find out about the origins of the white people, and maybe he did find out the actual israelis are the whites with the jews being the blue eyed people, who are said that they will spread across the earth and rule everywhere. Same they did during colonisations. Hitler found out the (((jews))) of today arent the jews of the bible who are just
>those who belong to the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews but are liars instead.

The "white privilege" people go on about, is actually the blessing of God

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>These lived eventualy in Canaan continuing the line of Cain after the flood
That is interesting. So Noah built the ark to save animals, but there were also people who survived the flood?
Also im trying to understand all the birthright bullshit. I saw in bible genealogic tree of Jesus and i dont understand how he is considered the king of judea? If he is the son of God, entity out of this realm, he shouldnt be the king since his father is out of this earth? Or am i missing something?

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The bible story is actual real history. This gets clear when you look at the story of Joseph alone. Joseph, in the bible, was sold off as slave to egypt, where he became friends with the pharao and married his daughter. He was given authority over everything. Compare that with the Yuya-mummie which was blond by the way.
web.archive.org/web/20170319164635/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuya
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_(Genesis)

Hitlers "Herrenrasse" probably was meant to mean "Rasse des Herrn" "Race of the Lord"
The 1000 year Reich was meant to be the 1000 year Sabbath, the 7th day which never happened because Satan interrupted it and which is for God like a thousand years.
This is why the Nazis had a sense of superiority like the Israelis had for the goyim.
The (((Jew))), like everything, stole their identity from others. Just like they took german names, have plastic surgery to look more white, act white when it suits them they stole their whole identity of being a jew from the whites

From the Bible
>20 King Arius of the Spartans.
>To the high priest Onias. Greetings!
>21 It has been discovered in a written record that the Spartans and the Jews are relatives and are both of the family of Abraham. 22 Since we have learned this, please let us know how you are. 23 On our part, we write to let you know that what is yours—your livestock and property—belongs to us, and ours belongs to you. We therefore command that our envoys report to you in keeping with this.

Also
truthvids.net/
mentioned a lot of descriptions of what the Israelites are and will be doing, and how it all fits the Europeans

how are they a metaphore? It continues to tell how the line is continued through Seth, they are implied to be real persons. The bible uses real events to give allegorical teachings. Since the teachings are true they played out accordingly. Since they played out accordingly the teachings are true.

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