Open Questions for Christians

Armageddon is about the final battle between the good and evil. It will involved everyone from angels to humans. Apocrypha also mentions the Battle Between the Sons of Light and Sons of Darkness in the War Scroll.
>What if the evil in question is grievous bodily harm to an innocent?
Don't our own laws say you can protect the innocent from attack?

The word 'saved' is another misunderstood word. Along with salvation and deliverance.
The common definition in all three is PRESERVATION.

Preservation in this life. During this mortal life. This life is our test, our trial. “That I may prove them, whether they will walk in My law, or no.”
The “churches” teach “once saved, always saved”.
They also teach, that by your own declaration, you get to choose to be “saved” (as if it were up to YOU).
They also teach the gospel of “personal salvation”.
None of these are scriptural and are only “church” doctrine.

Scripture teaches that we are 'preserved' through Christ IF we follow The Way, His laws and commands, have true knowledge and understanding, and live righteously according to our heritage.

Scripture teaches that HE CHOOSES.
Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to Me of My Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son wishes to reveal Him.

John 6:44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

And rather than 'personal salvation', the Scripture teaches the gospel of the kingdom.

ageoflaodicea.com/saved-3-2/

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Eternal torment ignores God's mercy, stop listening to Protestants. This world is God's vineyard and we are the flock. You don't retaliate because it's against God's will, and he said that he will repay. It's an act of faith.

"Love your enemies." "Bless them that curse you." "Do good to them that hate you." "Pray for those that persecute you." "Judge not." "If a man takes your coat, give him your cloak as well." "Slaves, obey your masters." "Let every man be subject to the governing authorities."

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Your race and nation does not matter only Christ matters

>for a heavenly afterlife
The doctrine of going to heaven/hell when you die is a doctrine of demons and denies the gospel. Repent!
Ecclesiastes 9:4-10 (ESV)
4 But he who is joined with all the living has hope, for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
5 For the living know that they will die, but THE DEAD KNOW NOTHING, and they have NO MORE REWARD, for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Their LOVE and their HATE and their ENVY have already PERISHED, and forever they have no more share in all that is done under the sun.
7 Go, eat your bread with joy, and drink your wine with a merry heart, for God has already approved what you do.
8 Let your garments be always white. Let not oil be lacking on your head.
9 Enjoy life with the wife whom you love, all the days of your vain life that he has given you under the sun, because that is your portion in life and in your toil at which you toil under the sun.
10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might, for there is NO WORK OR THOUGHT OR WISDOM IN Sheol, to which you are going.

Lets see, dead people KNOW NOTHING, dead people have NO REWARD(ergo no heaven and no hell), dead people have no WORK so they do nothing, they have no KNOWLEDGE, so they know nothing, they CAN NOT THINK, and they have NO WISDOM whatsoever

There is no afterlife, apart from resurrection you are DEAD, death is the OPPOSITE of life,
The doctrine of an afterlife is a doctrine of demons. Its purpose is to get you to deny the gospel, you cant believe Jesus died for your sins if you dont believe that death exists or that Jesus can die!
youtube.com/watch?v=xVoZ_UUUapw
youtu.be/m0OJ9diFbJ4
martinzender.com/
bible-truths.com/
godsplanforall.com/
saviourofall.org/
askelm.com/abc/index.asp
iswasandwillbe.com/
godskingdom.org/studies/books/creations-jubilee/chapter-6-gods-three-harvest-festivals

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>Don't our own laws say you can protect the innocent from attack?
Yes, but I fail to see how that's relevant. I'm not talking about US law, I'm talking about Christian ethics.
>This life is our test, our trial.
I agree. I think the next one is too. And the one after that, and so on and so forth. Perhaps that does not make me a Christian.
>Eternal torment ignores God's mercy
I agree, which is why I do not believe that souls are eternally condemned to Hell. Unfortunately I have asked priests of my own denomination (Greek Orthodox) about Hell, and they do believe that souls are sent there forever. I cannot reconcile this belief with an eternal heaven, and Christ's commandment to "Love thy neighbor as yourself". Surely I could not be happy in heaven while my friends and family were burning.

>are we truly to be condemned to eternal torment for a finite sin of following the wrong faith?
The doctrine of Eternal Torment rests on the translation of 4 words.

olam aion aionion and aionios

usage defines the word, if you were to look at how these words are used throughout the bible you would see that these words do not mean forever, eternal, everlasting

word studies the prove that hell is not forever but a mistranslation of the words olam, aion and aionios

askelm.com/doctrine/d041101.htm
askelm.com/doctrine/d041201.htm
askelm.com/doctrine/d050101.htm
bible-truths.com/email2.htm#aion
hopebeyondhell.net/articles/further-study/eternity/

1 Timothy 4:9-11
9 It is a trustworthy statement deserving full acceptance. 10 For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.
11 Prescribe and teach these things.

>a trustworthy statement deserving full acceptance
>who is the Savior of all men
>especially of believers
>Prescribe
>and teach these things

Jesus can not be your saviour if he does not save you

We know that Jesus is the saviour of ALL MEN

and especially those that believe

especially does not mean exclusively

Jesus saves ALL MANKIND, believers simply come in earlier, unbelievers later on will become believers and enter into the kingdom of God latter

the gospel, the basic doctrines of Christ, Gods plan through Jesus to save all in the end

askelm.com/abc/
askelm.com/essentials/index.asp
godskingdom.org/studies/books/creations-jubilee
godsplanforall.com/

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Guys here some good News. Jesus is going to save everyone in the end. Jesus by dying on that cross 2000 years ago guaranteed salvation for all mankind (every will be saved thanks to this event) from sin and death. In the end we all will live happily ever after with God.

1 Corinthians 15:22-28 King James Version
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

The same all that died in Adam, are the same all that are made alive in Christ (v22)!

Lets talk about that word subdued/ subject in verse28, its the same word in the greek.

upotassw

Strongs Number: G5293

Orig: from 5259 and 5021; to subordinate; reflexively, to obey:--be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto. G5259

It means:

1) to arrange under, to subordinate
2) to subject, put in subjection
3) to subject one's self, obey
4) to submit to one's control
5) to yield to one's admonition or advice
6) to obey, be subject

Everything that is put in subjection unto Jesus, OBEYS JESUS. Jesus is their Lord. They are his slaves. Everyone will eventually be Jesus slave. If you are a slave of Jesus, you are a christian (see romans 1:1, Paul is a slave of Jesus

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(2 Peter 2:6) And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

mate what happened to Sodom is an example of what happens to those who experience the fire of hell, who experience the so called eternal fire

Ezekiel 16:53-55,61
53 When I shall bring again their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, and the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, then will I bring again the captivity of thy captives in the midst of them:
54 That thou mayest bear thine own shame, and mayest be confounded in all that thou hast done, in that thou art a comfort unto them.
55 When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate.
61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.

>I shall bring again their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters
>When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate
> when thou shalt receive thy sisters

Mate this is the same Sodom that God destroyed in Genesis. This is the same Sodom that died in there sins.

What is the fate of Sodom in Ez 16? Reconciliation, God will give the Sodomites to Judah. The Sodomites are not burning forever

Those that go to hell, die, turn to ash, and are later resurrected and reconciled back to God when the lake of fire kills death.

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What happens to us when we die
askelm.com/essentials/ess022a.htm
godsplanforall.com/free-online-book/part-iii/chapter-23-do-we-have-an-immortal-soul/
godskingdom.org/studies/tracts/how-death-affects-your-body-soul-and-spirit
thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/2015/05/pauls-gospel-and-death-denying.html
bible-truths.com/death.htm
bible-truths.com/lake16-A.html
bible-truths.com/lake16-B.html
youtu.be/xVoZ_UUUapw

the Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable, here is an explanation of the parable
bible-truths.com/lazarus.html
godsplanforall.com/free-online-book/part-ii/chapter-19-the-rich-man-and-lazarus/
godskingdom.org/studies/tracts/gods-marvelous-plan-for-creation-part-3-the-rich-man-and-lazarus
askelm.com/doctrine/d030602.htm

short Explanations of the gospel
askelm.com/abc/
longer Explanations of the gospel
askelm.com/essentials/index.asp
godskingdom.org/studies/books/creations-jubilee
godsplanforall.com/

proof that hell is not forever
askelm.com/doctrine/d041101.htm
askelm.com/doctrine/d041201.htm
askelm.com/doctrine/d050101.htm
tentmaker.org/Quotes/churchfathersquotes.htm
hopebeyondhell.net/articles/further-study/eternity/
Why certain doctrines contradict the gospel
thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/2015/05/pauls-gospel-and-death-denying.html
martinzender.com/ZWTF/ZWTF4.29.pdf

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predestination, free will, and the problem of evil
bible-truths.com/lake2.html
bible-truths.com/lake15.html
iswasandwillbe.com/is-evil-good/
iswasandwillbe.com/ecc_1_12_18/
iswasandwillbe.com/prophecy-of-isaiah-isa-451-7-i-make-peace-and-create-evil-i-the-lord-do-all-these-things/
godskingdom.org/studies/books/the-problem-of-evil/chapter-1-the-problem-with-free-will
godsplanforall.com/free-online-book/part-iii/chapter-25-why-god-allows-evil-and-suffering/
godskingdom.org/studies/books/creations-jubilee/chapter-1-the-millennium-question
martinzender.com/ZWTF/ZWTF2.6.pdf
askelm.com/doctrine/d950101.htm
askelm.com/doctrine/d031002.htm

the eventual destiny of humanity, check out the byte show interviews and audios
askelm.com/abc/abc002.asp
askelm.com/abc/abc003.asp
askelm.com/essentials/ess033.htm
askelm.com/essentials/ess035.htm
askelm.com/essentials/ess036.htm
askelm.com/doctrine/d040101.htm
askelm.com/doctrine/d920501.pdf

other general links
bible-truths.com/
askelm.com/
saviourofall.org/
iswasandwillbe.com/
godskingdom.org/
godsplanforall.com/
tentmaker.org/
The guys below teach their are 2 gospels, ignore this teaching, otherwise they are solid
concordant.org/
martinzender.com/
biblestudentsnotebook.com/
studyshelf.com/videos/
thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/

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>In the end we all will live happily ever after with God.
I fully believe this. I also believe that it will be a long, long, long time before that day comes.
Thanks to all who posted, I'm going to sleep. Feel free to keep writing, I'll read the responses in the AM. Take care and God bless.

>I agree, which is why I do not believe that souls are eternally condemned to Hell. Unfortunately I have asked priests of my own denomination (Greek Orthodox) about Hell, and they do believe that souls are sent there forever. I cannot reconcile this belief with an eternal heaven, and Christ's commandment to "Love thy neighbor as yourself". Surely I could not be happy in heaven while my friends and family were burning.

mate the orthodox church used to be the primary teachers of universal salvation

it was the byzantine emperor Justinian who outlawed the doctrine

tentmaker.org/Quotes/churchfathersquotes.htm

other general links
bible-truths.com/
askelm.com/
saviourofall.org/
iswasandwillbe.com/
godskingdom.org/
godsplanforall.com/
tentmaker.org/
The guys below teach their are 2 gospels, ignore this teaching, otherwise they are solid
concordant.org/
martinzender.com/
biblestudentsnotebook.com/
studyshelf.com/videos/
thathappyexpectation.blogspot.com/

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>Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to Me of My Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son wishes to reveal Him.

>John 6:44 No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

and who did the father give him?

John 17:1-2
17 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, 2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.

>even as You gave Him authority over ALL flesh
>authority over ALL flesh,
>ALL flesh,
>that to ALL whom You have given Him
> He may give eternal life.

John 3:35
The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand.

> ALL things into His hand.

John 13:3
Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come forth from God and was going back to God

>the Father had given all things into His hands

John 16:15
All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

>All things that the Father has are Mine
all that the father gives Jesus will eventually receive eternal life

the father has given Jesus everyone

ergo everyone will eventually recieve eternal life !

some people earlier then others (the elect)

heres the truth

God wants to save all
God can save sall
henceforth God will save all
Acts 17:31
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

lets look at that word "assurence"

The KJV translates Strong's G4102 as faith (239x),

why did they translate as assurance then? The could not believe what the verse was saying! God is going to give everyone faith!

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you're here because your god got bored and needed a screaming thing to poke and make fun of. But he was kind of a dipshit, so he fucked up everything from your nature to his own planning. He couldnt get the effective order of creation right, he wanted braindead drones so he initially created men without knowledge of right and wrong but then he fucked up and left the patch for it in the same place, then when it got too out of hand, he told a drunk to build a boat so he could drown everything and try again, but that didnt work so he just fucking gave up.

Real talk, though, you've been raised to be a kiked out tool. It's good that you're coming to realize that it's nonsensical. Your best bet is to wipe the slate clean and start looking for answers objectively. From the get go, you have to already realize that if there is a god, it's very likely completely unlike all the current written religions on the planet today. Most of those were just political stunts that got way out of hand; no truth to be found other than basic human observations that anyone can make. The numbers of gods, the origin, their nature, their goals and methods, their intellect and power, they're completely unknown, and anyone who claims to know them is lying to you. They dont care about truth, they preach to you to convince themselves that they arent just tools for some grubby jew somewhere. They'll destroy everything good if it means drowning another soul in decadent self delusion. Ignore them and actually think about things.

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which You gavest Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from You, and they have believed that You didst send Me.
17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which You hast given Me; for they are Yours.

Not for the world but for those who the father gave him.

ALL RELIGIONS ARE AN INSULT TO GOD

Are you familiar at all with history ?

And more precisely the crusades, reconquista or the fight to the death orthodox christians fought against the ottomans ?

Christianity is a religion of peace, yes. But it is not a religion of inaction.

When there are those who would do harm to you, your family or your people, it is your duty to take up arms and defend what you cherish.

A real man, and a real christian, is sweet to those he loves, and merciless to his enemies.

as I said before, right now Jesus is only working on a select few, later on he will work on the rest

All of Jesus died on that cross, his body, his soul, his spirit
askelm.com/essentials/ess018a.htm

Death is real.
Those that die cease to exist there is no afterlife (Ecclesiastes 9:4-10, Psalm 6:5, Psalm 30:9, Psalm 88:10-12, Psalm 146:2-4, Psalm 115:17, Acts 2:34, Isaiah 38:18-19, Genesis 42:13,36, Lamentations 5:7, Psalm 39:13, Matthew 2:18)

However, 2000 years ago a man named Jesus was born, he was the son of God. God, who always existed, begat Jesus, Jesus did not always exist. First there was the Father, God, then came his son. Jesus really is Gods son.

Jesus lived a perfect life, and died on the cross as a substitute for you and all the bad deeds you have committed in your life, these bad deeds are called sins, we are all sinners, and the wages of sin is to suffer and eventually die.

3 days Later after being totally dead (he ceased to exist and was in a lifeless corpse) God raised him back to life and Jesus ascended into heaven.

Thanks to this he defeated death and sin once and for all for everyone. Since he was sinless he could die in your place.

Thanks to this, everyone will one day attain immortality and enter into the Kingdom of God, hell exists for some but it is not forever. In the end Jesus saves all.

short
askelm.com/abc/
long
askelm.com/essentials/index.asp
godskingdom.org/studies/books/creations-jubilee

Here is an explanation of the mystery, checkout the byte show interviews
askelm.com/doctrine/d040101.htm
askelm.com/doctrine/d920501.pdf

proof that hell is not forever
askelm.com/doctrine/d041101.htm
askelm.com/doctrine/d041201.htm
askelm.com/doctrine/d050101.htm

general links
bible-truths.com/
askelm.com/
saviourofall.org/
iswasandwillbe.com/
godskingdom.org/
godsplanforall.com/
martinzender.com/
tentmaker.org/
studyshelf.com/videos/

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OP dont listen to this guy they are going straight to Hell
OSAS is 100% Biblical

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>Jesus did not always exist

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>we should allow those who wish to kill us to do so, because to retaliate is to risk damnation
I wouldn't necessarily say you risk damnation if you defend your life, or the life of others.
That being said, Jesus taught that violence was to be avoided, and not only this, but we are still to love and pray for those who afflict us as it is not God's will that even one person should be condemned.

Christians are called to live in the way that Christ lived and with the same love for others that He has for us.
In Christ that love was perfect, and it was manifested in His sacrifice made on our behalf even though He did not deserve to be punished in any way.
Consider that Jesus loved even the Romans soldiers who scourged Him, and He loved even the Pharisees that rejected and hated Him.
He prayed for them on that cross, not for show, but because He truly loved them.
To have such true and unconditional love is the goal of a Christian in trying to emulate Jesus.

>If we understand the Bible improperly, are we truly to be condemned to eternal torment for a finite sin of following the wrong faith?
This is what is beautiful about Christianity.
While many denominations argue about mostly minor doctrinal beliefs and traditions, the core always remains the same, with a few exceptions like Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons.

These beliefs are if you truly love God, believe that Jesus Christ died in your place as a sacrifice to atone for your sins, repent of those sins, confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and *truly* believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
This belief is core across all of Christianity, and it is why that I believe that the Body of Christ exists across all denominations.
It is those who do really love God and actually believe this in their heart of hearts.

Some denominations preach that you must also be baptized and perhaps some other things, but that is another discussion.

PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO OP
THREAD IS FULL OF UNSAVED NONSENSE BY PEOPLE WHO WILL BE TOLD TO DEPART ONE DAY BECAUSE JESUS N E V E R KNEW THEM
PLEASE GET SAVED WHILE YOU STILL CAN
m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=CLTAqJavYZU