I read Das Kapital

>wahhh wahhhh you just dont understand marx wahhhh!
>read das kapital you fascist pig! waaahh waaaaah!
Okay you faggot communists, I did, and holy shit Marx's theories are literally all based on outdated economic theories that literally don't empirically apply in the real world. At best, today Marxism can only be theoretical. It doesn't work at all in the empirical world and we have seen that with the collapse and failure of all major communist nations. Most of the time when Marx is trying to make an argument it's like I don't even fucking agree with the premise of his arguments because none of them actually apply to the real world anymore. It's all theoretical bullshit that is all mostly outdated now.

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Alright. Give me good counter points so I can tell my leftist friend I read it and own him in our arguments

people who tell you to read das kapital didn't read das kapital

Well he pretty much based his whole theory on the labor theory of value which is just complete and total nonesense since value is subjective and this has been empirically shown as capitalist nations have continued to develop. Even his own arguments about variable capital is self contradictory unless you agree with the premise that is generally summed up as "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."

>I read Das Kapital

Kek you didn't. And I'm not even a commie enabler.

No shit Marx lived and didn’t work at all in a time where child labor was the norm, factories worked people in dangerous conditions with poor pay for 10+ hours a day, numerous deaths on site a year without any labor protections or unions on highly dangerous job sites.

What would Marx think of modern day low iq niggers chimping out in the streets?

Any country that tries to be socialist instantly collapses economically. They have to reinstate a market economy to stop from starving. Marx's ideas are literally pure fantasy.

Ya when u start saying empirical that pretty much ruins it and sums it up for me. Such a mistreated concept! Thank you for having the strength to read it and finally confirm it's bullshit... Bless ur heart

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No you didn't, you gave up in the first chapter at best

I recently had an epiphany regarding communism as an ethnonationalist/natsoc. Take a look at the world's most liberal countries (USA, UK, France, Germany, etc) and compare them to the present and former communist countries (USSR, China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc.). Think about this as neutrally as possible, and then ask yourself this question: Which ideology has a better track record with the preservation of their Race? It is clearly communism, despite the fact that Communism labels Race as a falsification, whereas liberalism is arguably the father of modern nationalism. Bizarre stuff, I don't really know what to make of it though.

Marx wrote more than you will read in your entire life. Writing books is work.

This

You do realize the book differentiates value from price?

Or human for that matter

The issue with Marxism in the modern setting isn't just that it failed spectacularly in every instance people tried to implement it, it's that they blame these failures not on the fallibility of man, but on the existence of societies that do not adhere to Marxism.
When you see someone say "not REAL communism", what they are saying is that success cannot be measured until the entire human population is under the boot of the most ruthless, manipulative murders who position themselves at the top of society through means that any reasonable person would be sickened by.

It doesn't make any sense. Don't worry, this is a normal reaction. Even someone as clever as Darwin could only stomach a few pages.

murderers*

Das Kapital is a secular re-write of the Old Testament. It's not supposed to make sense, it's Jewish garbage.

Price would be the monetary representation of value, and Marx's theory of value is outdated.

>Value is subjective
So you can just go to the store and decided that a phone costs the three pieces of string you have on your person

Actually in my understanding nazi(ism) did especially after the Advent of stalinism when there was mass deportations of blonde hair blue eyes into Siberia but I digress and can't be bothered to make this more clear and grammatically correct

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It is full of "so it follows that .... I know everything" statements. I kept thinking, "no it doesn't, Marx is a fraud".

I found the faggot.

Intersubjectivity, you can think it's worth 2 cents but if the seller don't agree the transaction won't happen

What you're describing is what governments do, not society writ large.
What do you think minimum wage is?
There are laws that create a minimum price for certain goods (like alcohol).
Not to mention all the government goods/services whose prices are dictated by said government, vastly inflating their costs while pretending to be the arbiters of morality for forcing it down the throats of the people.
Every single authoritarian government in human history ended in mass blood shed, both within and outside their borders. It's just not fucking worth it.

Value is literally what others are wiling to pay. That's why the art market exists.

I've said this a hundred times. The reason the sickle is on the communist flag is because a bunch of farm workers lost their jobs as mechanisation lead to needing less men to work a farm. Instead they went to work in factories which were not owned by wealthy land owners but the emerging middle class who owned no land but hired workers. The bourgeoisie were the middle class, not the rich. As the middle class was making money off the rich and poor and this was seen as illegitimate to workers with no applicable skills.
That's why commies are obsessed to this day with everyone owning farm land and working for there own food.

So the ideology was outdated when it fucking happened. There's no getting those farm jobs back, and yet this stupid idea has persisted for 100 years and likely will only get worse when minimum wage workers are completely automated

No, communism doesn't work, INCLUDING in theory. Communism is a flawed system from A to Z, which incentivizes mediocrity. It is very easy to invalidate the hundreds of pages of absolute bullshit spat by an autistic retarded academic, just need to ask one question:
>What do we do with people that don't want to work in communism?

And we all know how it ends

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Here's one.
Marx insists like an idiot, that the value of work = how much time is spent doing the work.
>let's all just lean on shovels
>profit
Whole world pays by the hour.
=clown world.

>blame these failures not on the fallibility of man, but on the existence of societies that do not adhere to Marxism.
>what they are saying is that success cannot be measured until the entire human population is under the boot of the most ruthless, manipulative murders who position themselves at the top of society through means that any reasonable person would be sickened by.

These exact arguments were made by Prussian aristocrats two centuries ago, after the defeat of revolutionary France and her satalite states. They are not sufficient arguments against Marxism.

If that is the edition you read it is a booboo. Better is International Publishers. Vol 1 is the most useful today. Its' history of money is still first rate and very readable.

The art market, outside of stuff like your furry porn commissions, is largely a method of money laundering and transactions for less-than-legal goods/services.

ussr has terrible track records preserving slavs
china is barely communist and their ethnostate is intact because of geopolitics not government system. The same reason why every Asian country is generally an ethnostate.
Cuba is an ethno because nobody in the right mind would want to live there

>Marx's theory of value is outdated
greeeeat, so all you achieved is expand the amerigolem dictionary of knee-jerk responses
>never worked
except when it did
>ebil gommunists cope with "not REAL communism"
The classic communist nations failed not because of economy, but because the people were driven to believe they could live like Americans if they sold out their countries to westerners (counterpoint: France and the Ugly Duckling (car))
Furthermore, the heroes of Eastern democracy were shown to be on your payrolls (decades too late) and half of your mass murder accusations are complete fabrications

You cannot operate on any level apart from plugging your ears and approaching every information with a Kissinger lens

I usually tell the commies to read their own books so they'll stop being commies (hopefully; it would require critical thinking skills on their part that can actually process the text they are reading).

Old gobbunism was in the USSR and others a very tight, rigid regime. This ensured the traditional values of society didn't changed to much as it was neccesary for functionality.

Liberalism on the other hand is as guillible as communism, a support of capitalism and free market that provokes in the long term a lack of values, when the frameview is so open and everything in the end is permisible as long as consumerism and financial gains remains.

>writing books is work
Did all that writing feed his family though? Pay the rent? Pay for clothes? No. Marx spent his entire life begging for money from his Mother and Father, from his uncle Phillips and money lenders. He also hated the working class thinking they couldn't carry revolution thinking they need more "theory". In the end in most of the West workers managed to bargain for their right without marxs stupid ideas about "theory" and "revolution". His writing are bullshit, if you wrote 500k pages but it all were bullshit is valuable to anyone. No, and that's Marx for you.

Thank you for proving my point.

If traditional values of society didn't change, they wouldn't have needed to burn books and murder anyone who didn't bend the knee.
Look at China, they changed their own fucking writing system just to prevent people from reading "unapproved" media.

Are there maybe, reasons for him to disagree, not just because he feels like it? You know, maybe he himself spent money on that phone, and so on, right until the point it was created. And was it created by money? Not quite, the expenditure that first brought it into existence was of labour power (which however had been acquired with money). It's da circle of life baby!
Problem is, those who succeed in the market thereby enable authoritarian institutions to be tyrannical on their behalf, rather than abolishing them. Only way to abolish authoritarianism is by abolishing class. By means of ruthless tyranny.