Serious question. If Elon and SpaceX still can't get into deep space after creating the most advanced self landing rockets in humanity, how are we expected to believe that during the 1960's we were able to not just bring men to the moon, but bring them back safely?
Serious answers only. Surely Elon would know the truth behind the moon landing.
politics and money
I know you're just shitposting, but the reason is that there is currently nothing profitable to be gained from the moon.
In the future we'll have bases there to make creating and sending payloads to places in our solar system much easier.
We might also start harvesting helium-3 for power, although that would largely be used in the facilities on the moon themselves.
But for now, we'll just have to wait for deep space mining to become a real thing. Everything else will follow after that.
Because those self landing rockets are tiny when compared with what you need to get to the moon. Those can only get you up to the space station which is low earth orbit. That’s barely leaving the surface at all.
I don’t think spaceX’s moon rocket is done yet.
The contracts they get are for putting satellites into orbit. Not landing on the moon
Do you actually believe Apollo 11 landed on the moon?
usa never went. it was part of mk ultra to brainwash the astronauts to believe they did
If you believe we landed on the moon, you’re genuinely retarded. It was a stunt to get the Russians to lay off of space.
The moon’s surface is covered in helium 3
You're retarded for thinking i'm retarded as there is nowhere in my initial message that signified that I believed in retards landing on the moon retard.
>soviet space prorgram pill incoming
en.wikipedia.org
tldr: soviets did everything first and better than usa, except the fake moonlanding
So jews essentially
the moon is flat
Yes, because most evidence points that way.
And even if we never did land on the moon, it changes NOTHING.
Humanity will continue, space exploration will continue and eventually, nobody will give a single fuck.
And what do you propose we do with that?
We don't have any existing infrastructure to deal with the mining, processing and shipping of it.
It'll take at least 20 years (at our current pace) to send enough materials to the moon to start mining.
The USA never reached the moon in 69, but it did reach the moon in later travels Im sure of it, im more inclined to believe aliens/spaceniggers really did kick us off the moon and that there are mining operations going on over there.
>the moon landing.
>unlimited funds
>nation defining quest
>had to beat the evil commies at all cost
>huge motivation
>some of the brightest scientists of that time working together to achieve the greatest adventure in human history
Bretty easy, user
wrong. boomer normies' worldview will crumble if they find out the moonlanding was faked for propaganda reasons. they think they live in a free world. this is not the case
check jay weidner's documentary about the moonlanding and stanley kubrick, it's hard to find but if you dig enough you'll get it. last time I found it was from VK
bruh it never happened. they essentially spent billions on a movie. ruusians ended up being first in space..
Space is under military control. You dont go there
1957: First intercontinental ballistic missile and orbital launch vehicle, the R-7 Semyorka.
1957: First satellite, Sputnik 1.
1957: First animal in Earth orbit, the dog Laika on Sputnik 2.
1959: First rocket ignition in Earth orbit, first man-made object to escape Earth's gravity, Luna 1.
1959: First data communications, or telemetry, to and from outer space, Luna 1.
1959: First man-made object to pass near the Moon, first man-made object in Heliocentric orbit, Luna 1.
1959: First probe to impact the Moon, Luna 2.
1959: First images of the moon's far side, Luna 3.
1960: First animals to safely return from Earth orbit, the dogs Belka and Strelka on Sputnik 5.
1961: First probe launched to Venus, Venera 1.
1961: First person in space (International definition) and in Earth orbit, Yuri Gagarin on Vostok 1, Vostok program.
1961: First person to spend over 24 hours in space Gherman Titov, Vostok 2 (also first person to sleep in space).
1962: First dual crewed spaceflight, Vostok 3 and Vostok 4.
1962: First probe launched to Mars, Mars 1.
1963: First woman in space, Valentina Tereshkova, Vostok 6.
1964: First multi-person crew (3), Voskhod 1.
1965: First extra-vehicular activity (EVA), by Alexsei Leonov,[23] Voskhod 2.
1965: First radio telescope in space, Zond 3.
1965: First probe to hit another planet of the Solar System (Venus), Venera 3.
1966: First probe to make a soft landing on and transmit from the surface of the Moon, Luna 9.
1966: First probe in lunar orbit, Luna 10.
1966: first image of the whole Earth disk, Molniya 1.[24]
1967: First uncrewed rendezvous and docking, Cosmos 186/Cosmos 188.
1968: First living beings to reach the Moon (circumlunar flights) and return unharmed to Earth, Russian tortoises and other lifeforms on Zond 5.
1969: First docking between two crewed craft in Earth orbit and exchange of crews, Soyuz 4 and Soyuz 5.
1970: First soil samples automatically extracted and returned to Earth from another celestial body, Luna 16.
1970: First robotic space rover, Lunokhod 1 on the Moon.
1970: First full interplanetary travel with a soft landing and useful data transmission. Data received from the surface of another planet of the Solar System (Venus), Venera 7
1971: First space station, Salyut 1.
1971: First probe to impact the surface of Mars, Mars 2.
1971: First probe to land on Mars, Mars 3.
1975: First probe to orbit Venus, to make a soft landing on Venus, first photos from the surface of Venus, Venera 9.
1980: First Hispanic and Black person in space, Arnaldo Tamayo Méndez on Soyuz 38.
1984: First woman to walk in space, Svetlana Savitskaya (Salyut 7 space station).
1986: First crew to visit two separate space stations (Mir and Salyut 7).
1986: First probes to deploy robotic balloons into Venus atmosphere and to return pictures of a comet during close flyby Vega 1, Vega 2.
1986: First permanently crewed space station, Mir, 1986–2001, with a permanent presence on board (1989–1999).
1987: First crew to spend over one year in space, Vladimir Titov and Musa Manarov on board of Soyuz TM-4 - Mir.
1988: First fully automated flight of a spaceplane (Buran).
NOW TELL ME, WHAT DID USA DO "FIRST" BESIDES THE FAKE MOONLANDING?
>muh elon is a genius wow!!!!
Faggot is a rich that made failure after failure for years until it worked. Deep space doesn't allows you to waste money doing dumb shit.
They can, but that's not their goal. Their goal is to research ways to make space exploration reliable, cheaper, and routine.
It's just a rock. Yes you can send men on it and bring them back but nobody wants to spend money on it anymore unless there's a good reason.
The Apollo program cost 156 billion $ in 2019 dollars and took 8 years before completion. Last year SpaceX had a revenue of 2 billion $. Even if we assumed it was all profit you could dump into space, it would take 80 years of accumulation to reach that funding.
I don't recall the exact numbers for Starship development, but I remember them being in the ballpark of a couple billion $; that and if you consider the program to have started last year (through a convention kind of like the Saturn V, which started development in 1962 after the F-1 rocket engine matured enough for that to happen, but not completely - kind of like the current state of Raptor) and you consider a moon landing date of 2024 under the NASA Human Landing System program, then that's going to be massively under budget and ahead of schedule compared to the Apollo program.
If you really want to ask someone "why are we not there yet", ask Boeing and the SLS - you'll find they've been busy shoving taxpayer cash into their pockets.
There's nothing profitable about space except satellites and we don't have the money or technology to mine resources.
you will all see that when the USA finally falls like the USSR did and we compare these two objectively, the USSR space program beat USA in practically EVERYTHING. please someone tell me one thing USA did before USSR????
And then say they lost the knowledge of how to get back to the moon. You're an idiot
Elon is a glownigger and you still believe the CGI that he sent a tesla into the orbit.
TALKING ABOUT HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS IS FUCKING COPING AND COLD WAR PROPAGANDA SPIN YOU FUCKING BOOMERS
Chill, Spurdo.
If the moon landing was fake, why didn't the Soviets ever call us out on it? They were tracking the Apollo missions too, you know.
>never
Oh and for (((you))) that shill about muh fake moon landings, here's your threadly reminder that the jews started the moon landing denialism movement as a way to discredit the work of evil nazi SS member Wernher von Braun and his team of evil white men. They've been trying everything to discredit it; denying it could ever happen outright (even making movies like Capricorn One to dig at the idea), claiming it was actually filmed by a kike (Stanley Kubrick - because only a brilliant jewish mind could be behind such a technological achievement that is actually fake), claiming niggers are the true heroes of the Apollo program etc.
To all the jews still mad about a nazi putting white christian men on the moon all I can say is - you'll never be a woman.
because it's very fucking hard to do and even they could not do it even though they beat you guys in everything lol
>implying they'll still be alive by the time we're "back" on the moon
>There's nothing profitable about space except satellites
Millions of asteroids containing massive amounts of rare materials beg to differ.
>and we don't have the money or technology to mine resources
No shit, the only way to achieve those technologies is to start mining them.
Modern mining equipment didn't always exist, you know. We used to mine things by hand.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH what is this meta from fucking ROMANIA go pee on Ceaușescu's grave faggot
No, sin the Moon as a waypoint is not cheaper than just launching from Earth.
Moon may have helium 3, so may have value once we develop fusion tech. We can put telescopes (especially radio telescopes) on the far side of the moon.
What's very hard to do? It's easy to estimate range through communication lag, and there are reflectors on the Moon placed by the astronauts. You're just a denialist schizo that can't handle the truth.
boomers will find out the moonlanding was faked in a couple of years when USA disappears from the map as we know it, screencap this
>how are we expected to believe that during the 1960's we were able to not just bring men to the moon, but bring them back safely?
You shouldn’t, because they fucking faked the whole apollo missions
weak minded propagandized faggot. These dudes want you to disbelieve the evidence of your eyes, ears, and mind
Ok bro are you gonna be the one to spend the trillions necessary to build up the infrastructure to begin profitably mining on the moon/asteroids? Because I dont think any private company is going to do that.
It's a catch 22. Space is full of resources that would be extremely lucrative if only you could get to them and bring them back. But to get to them you first need to spend enormous sums of money that no company can afford.
Look at how expensive rocket launches are, then imagine the cost to get to the moon, set up a permanent habitat, send a full time crew, rotate the crew in/out (because you can't have people living in space/low gravity environments for prolonged periods or else they wont be able to return because they'll become too weak and frail), shuttle supplies regularly until the colony becomes self-sustaining which will take years, and so on and so forth.
These costs are astronomical and cannot be sustained by anything less than nation-states.
>Because those self landing rockets are tiny when compared with what you need to get to the moon. Those can only get you up to the space station which is low earth orbit.
no other manned space mission has claimed to leave low earth orbit except for the apollo missions, which had less than a decade of development, in the fuckin 60s. You’re believing in a fairy tale
Funny the landing rockets were some huge accomplishment when NASA allegedly did it 50 years ago with their moon lander that was made out of aluminum foil and paper mache.
>NASA gives the distance from the center of Earth to the center of the Moon as 239,000 miles. Since the Earth has a radius of about 4,000 miles and the Moon’s radius is roughly 1,000 miles, that leaves a surface-to-surface distance of 234,000 miles. The total distance traveled during the alleged missions, including Earth and Moon orbits, ranged from 622,268 miles for Apollo 13 to 1,484,934 miles for Apollo 17. All on a single tank of gas.
You don't know and never will know the truth. What happened is a secret.
And? Are you some actual retard who can't understand how orbital mechanics work?
care to explain the picshure?
>made of tinfoil
No it wasn't. Related.
Von Braun faked the V2 rockets too you fucking mongoloid. his entire character is about faking ooga booga history channel tech
>da joos want you to deny the moon landing! it’s da joos who made this thread!
The poltard cries out as you strike him. Weak fucking argument with no basis. This poster right here doesn’t want you to watch the apollo footage, he doesn’t want you to actually research, he doesn’t want you to notice the abundance of front projection and miniature modeling
check jay weidner's film. tldr, stanley kubrick made the shining as a confession to him directing the moonlandings. all the fucked up freakery of the movie makes sense when you know this
>Apollo 11 work makes Jack a dull boy :DDDDDDDD
Why would they go to the moon when their stated mission goal is to head to Mars?
Shit thread.
Well then Nation States better get to work before flat earthers replace them. People want results and when we have nothing but stagnation because of fake money then you end up with retards in inherited positions.
Give us more
can you copers tell me WHAT DID USA DO FIRST, beating USSR in the space race? TELL ME? WHAT?
>there are reflectors on the Moon placed by the astronauts
MIT bounced a laser off the moon in 1962 and the Soviets did it in 1963, the moon does that anyway without reflectors your laser experiment is pointless. You’re literally a retard fascinated by shiny objects hahaha
What kind of retard psychopath do you have to be to link any of that shit together?
Watch out, user, the gubbermint's out to get you!
Nigger, you have no idea how setting up an economy works, so don't act like you do.
Economies aren't built within a single day, they're built within multiple generations.
You and I won't live (unless life extension therapies become a thing) to see space mining become an actual profitable thing.
Companies like SpaceX are only the very beginning. Once SpaceX attains an unlimited income from their satellite network, they're capable of sending unlimited rockets to space to set up a very minimal infrastructure.
And the more rockets are send into space, the more advancements will be made. Technology will become cheaper and space more and more attainable.
The only real bottleneck we'll have in the near future is the cost of fuel.
there was no space race, USSR didn’t even have a planned manned moon mission
>How did we do it?
With a significant portion of a super power's funding and scientific espionage. A huge portion of it was rushed and untested, something we can no longer get away with because we don't have the political motivation. That doesn't even include the fundamental difference between privatized vs government funded.
you've never been there faggot
just threw enough money to the problem by creating the biggest rocket ever.
it's this documentary you want to find
filmaffinity.com
it's scraped from the internet and really fucking hard to find. the last time I found it was from the russian social media site VK. good luck, send a link here if you find it