I'm going to play Pathologic for the first time this evening

What am I in for?

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You are in for pathologic

ALLOW ME TO REMIND YOU

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a lot of walking.

>What am I in for?
The first game?
An INSANE test of patience, honestly. It has some fascinating qualities, but the meme's about endless walking aren't based on nothing.

If you give me a sec, I'm gonna switch computers and post the infographic that tells you all key things you should know without spoiling too much. jJust keep the thread up.

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FUCK THE KAINS
FUCK THE POLYHEDRON
FUCK DANKOVSKY
FUCK YOU ALL

I like a good deal of cult games that had mixed or negative reception, but I can't get into Pathologic every time I try. I like the music and the tone the game sets, but it just doesn't grab me enough to play for an extended period of time.

I got you

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Which patho did you try? 1 or 2?

A pretentious walking simulator.

The Classic HD version of 1. It still draws me in enough to keep trying, but I never get far. I am aware that 2 is more or less a remake of 1, but since I've been trying this long, I do want to stick it out with 1 a bit longer.

Try just walking in it and see what happens

patho1 is a wholly failed execution of a grand scheme that was inherently restricted by its game engine. between that and the fact that patho2 has had numerous years more of background development (mainly Dybowski's vision / understanding of what he wants the story to be) makes patho2 into something much closer to what IPL wish it could have done with 1. i do not recommend patho1 to anybody except those who have been immersed by 2 and wish for more insight on Daniil and Clara's perspectives. however, even this is fickle, because with the refinement of 2's plot and mechanics, a handful of minor details have changed, and some perspectives from 1 might no longer apply.

>wholly failed execution
That's too harsh. Patho 1 is amazing on its own

i do not believe that dybowski or anybody at IPL is particularly proud of patho1

A path of logic.

The mind map mechanic in p2 is so fucking good. I'm surprised more quest-based games don't have something like this.

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>i do not believe that dybowski or anybody at IPL is particularly proud of patho1
They really are. For what they were working with, for what their experience was, their resources etc... Pathologic 1 is remarkably good, and the studio found the very process of making it so utterly fascinating that they made much of the meta-narrative ABOUT how magical the process of developing it was to them.

Pathologic 1 does look extremely outdated and shows a TON of inexperience and extreme cutting of corners compared to Pathologic 2. And I agree: I usually recommend people to play P2 first, and maybe go back to P1 if they really, really want to, but saying that P1 was a failure, or that the studio isn't proud of it is a massive exaggeration. After all: P1 became a cult hit, secured them future and some of the most dedicated fanbase in the world.

People would have to fucking pay attention to this game's existence, which they don't. Because the industry is fucked.

I still look forward to when P1 finally clicks with me, but I'll keep what you said in mind. I don't think I've had another game that I disliked playing so much keep on tempting me to give it another go. But even if that day never comes, I'll definitely still consider giving P2 a try.
It's funny that you say that IPL isn't too proud of P1, though. I've heard it got nothing but praise in Russia.

So what is Pathologic 2 in relation to 1? A retelling of the original story? A sequel? A remake?
Should I play both of these games?

>i do not believe that dybowski or anybody at IPL is particularly proud of patho1
Then you're mistaken.

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What the fuck, user? Pathologic got remade and it still is the same game, the changes are minor. I honestly have no idea of how can you infer this from the patho situation

A retelling of one single campaign with better gameplay. You didn't play pathologic 1, play patho 2 first. If you did, finish the bachelor's route

i hope you have some drugs

>tfw filtered

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A shit game with many points of no return that will make you lose content, parts where you have to walk and get bored, bad combat and terrible optimization on console.

are you actually confused? dybowski constantly shits on the development of 1, talking about how frustrated he was with the game engine and its restrictions, frustrated by the translators, and talks about how he was so happy he got to reinvision it with a game engine that was more capable, touting how he wish he had the time to develop mechanics like an actual physical trail to the spread of the pandemic.

do not for a second mistake my words as saying that patho1 is bad; and assuredly so, IPL and dybowski know the value in what they did, but to ignore their dissatisfaction with so many aspects of patho1 is just plain fanboyism.

>So what is Pathologic 2 in relation to 1? A retelling of the original story? A sequel? A remake?
Kind of all of the above. It's... complicated if we want to be exact, because there is a lot of meta-narrative fuckery happening in those games.
But all you really need to know is that P2 restarts the time-line of the story and provides an alternate version of events that took place in the first game, meaning you DON'T need to play P1.
As for for whenever you should play both - there is a lot of differing opinions on that, see the thread above, but I personally say that P2 is what you REALLY must not miss out, where as P1 is... very much optional, if you just need more Pathologic fix right now.
P1 features three different stories, where as P2 so far features only one - if a lot more fleshed out one. The remaining two stories will be remade eventually. That means that if you really want to get the most complete experience of all possible perspective, you have to go back to P1 eventually, or wait for P2 ep 2 and 3 to be released sometime in the future.

But P1 is fundamentally flawed and very, very hard to get into.

oh i'm going to add

>the changes are minor
so you haven't played both games?

it's a major cult classic just like turgor was. IPL is infamous in russia for such things. but that changes nothing in regards to dybowski's admitted self-scrutiny related to patho1; he's really hard on himself.

>didn't get the point of the game
Imagine being filtered by words lmao
>terrible optimization on console.
He's talking about the first pathologic, asshat

>playing on console

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Thanks user! Silly question, but can I treat this game kinda like a Call of Cthulhu tabletop game where I'm the only player? By that I mean conversations and other actions is the main part where I interact with the Game Master, the long walking sections is the part where me and the other players (if there were any) think about the true intentions of NPCs and the consequences of our actions while the DM gently reminds us that if we don't complete all of the quests and plot points he had prepared for us today our characters will be punished during our next meeting?

dissatisfaction with so many aspects of it =/= not being proud of their work.

Play Pathologic 2 on Intended difficulty instead. Then prepare for an insanely good horror RPG.

I just finished Pathologic. What did I think of it?

>>the changes are minor
>so you haven't played both games?
It's structurally the same game. The same survival intent, the same story, almost the same delivery. P2 had better developmental choices, but it's the same idea executed by groups with different experiences and technology

Dybowsky shits on everything he worked on, because he is a slav and slavs don't have the mentality of perpetual pretending that everything is better than it is that west has. Hell, he straight up says that P2's development was the biggest nightmare the studio has gone through yet, to a point where he seriously felt like he can't even come back to working on P2 anymore after that.

That does not matter. Game development is hard and frustrating work, especially for people as inexperienced as IPL was back in the day, but that does not mean people don't walk away from it proud of what they achieved.

What the fuck

Rise of the Bin Raider.

You either love Daniel or hate Daniil

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Daniel did nothing wrong.
FUCK THE TOWN

Not him, but the improvements on excecution are so major in P2 they kinda do change the whole nature of the game, you can't say the changes are minor.
P2 is just as much a successor to The Void as it is a successor to Pathologic 1 = it literally blends an entire different games into the mix. It may have same core story beats, similar structure and obviously share story elements and themes, but my god are the changes they made actually fucking MAJOR in how that structure works or how the story is actually experienced by the player.

post Dybowski

Is Daniel is the best example of an enjoyable asshole in gaming?

POLYGONS

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He might be an asshole but he's right about almost everything.

there are entire core mechanics of the game nonexistent in 1, but present in 2, which completely change the gameplay. there are MAJOR plot changes and many many new hidden clues about the story. i'm going to say again with confidence that you haven't played both, or at least haven't actually read through both thoroughly.

>but that does not mean...proud of what they achieved
yes it does actually, dybowski will likely never be proud of anything he does because he strives for constant improvement. just because you are proud of what he did does not mean he is. he still sits to this day, tormented by the things he could not add, all of which is why the games are so amazing.

>tfw got filtered by the void in the first 15 minutes

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