So is the anticheat really that bad or is the controversy just a bunch of conspiracy theorists who want to pretend to be expert computer guys?
So is the anticheat really that bad or is the controversy just a bunch of conspiracy theorists who want to pretend to...
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Ryan Morris
>a kernel RAT that doesn't protect against cheaters
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You tell me, user.
Nathan Garcia
the latter
it can cause compatibility issues with other softwares but I never had issues and they tuned that down in the last vanguard update
Jose Miller
>Imagine bragging about your anticheat just for this to happen
Brody Wood
It fucking installs a backdoor into your computer and still doesn't protect against hackers
Isaiah Gray
here's some facts, anyone that says it's perfectly safe or a ticking timebomb are both trying to sway you
it has the potential to be very bad, however nothing has been found so far that could be used maliciously (doesn't mean it won't be found in the future)
you can uninstall it at any point, however will need to install it again and reboot when you want to play
they say it doesn't gather any information beyond what LoL's client already did, which is likely just the standard amount for online games
they say they had multiple outside security teams take a look at it before releasing it, meaning any issues that they would have found are likely already fixed
Leo Gomez
Its conspiracy theory shit. The instant it becomes widely known they actually fuck with your computer the entire company would be in shambles, they would get sued many times over and people won't trust them anymore. Its just poorly thought out, they pretty tried to, for better or worse, make an anti-cheat with zero workarounds, in reality though there's probably always going to be one. Vanguard itself is very light on resources, and it does nothing currently in terms of compromising machines with kernel access
Sebastian Ward
That was almost a month ago, there are multiple cheat providers now.
Christopher Jones
type driverquery in cmd and look at how many backdoor/botnet/rootkit/whatever you have on your computer
Connor Morales
>just because your cheat works means the anticheat doesn't work
you do know most anticheats don't stop cheats either right, they're just detected, monitored then banned.
There's no way to prevent aimbot/close range ESP
Ryder White
People forgot about it already, what does that tell you
William Wilson
You do realize cheaters are ahead of anti-cheats now right?
from the 2016 to 2019 era ACs were giving everyone a hard time, now that every UC paster knows the ins and outs of these newer ACs everyone will start selling cheats for these games again.
Expect to see shit sites like aimjunkies selling valorant cheats in the next year or so.
Mason Martinez
In itself it probably isn't inherently bad or malicious, but it has too much access to your machine. The driver loads before you log in, it has more access to the damn OS than you do.
The only other non-OS thing that should generally run at that level is anti-virus. Now, the real danger is if it's compromised. Anti-Virus applications are made by reputable, certified, experienced companies whose whole business model is this thing they put on your computer being rock-solid secure. Vanguard on the other hand is made by a small sliver of a game company with outside input from grey hat game hack makers.
Kaspersky was removed from government machines or any company that had government contracts for the very inkling they were related to the Russian government. Riot is owned wholly by Tencent, which is damn near an arm of the Chinese government.
In the end do what you want - it's probably not bad right now, but it's a very appealing target to compromise, and when it does get compromised, you probably won't be able to get rid of it anymore without just re-imaging the PC.
Aiden Jackson
>There's still a fuckton of cheaters
Wew, I don't know desu
Angel Hall
Oh, and i will add.
Undetected cheats.
Hypervisors say "Hi".
Cameron Lee
Riot said when a cheater is detected, it would stop the match right there
The valorant cheat is already for sale
Justin Long
>there's still a fuckton of cheaters
It's only the start, user.
You're dealing with the Counter-Strike community for this game.
The community that most "pro players" cheat on, and the majority of regular players also cheat, it's a cult at this point.
Sebastian Phillips
You know it's shit when the new cope is that the anti cheat wasn't designed to prevent cheaters it was designed to detect cheaters.
Daniel Hill
I'm aware that there are providers selling valorant hacks, but low tier shit like AJ and Systemcheats aren't doing it.
Yet...
Camden Gray
cheating wouldn't be a problem if they stopped being half assed in following the 'tatical shooter' meme
>lol stay in this spot until someone head shows up and headshots are instant kills; only to award those with perfect aim that only hackers and top 15$ players can pull off
If you were playing a game like Team Fortress 2 or Counter Strike even R6S all you would have to do is votekick the cheater.
Asher King
>from the 2016 to 2019 era ACs were giving everyone a hard time
no they weren't?
people were cheating like crazy in every online game and getting banned for cheating
Are you claiming there's no CSGO, Fortnite, apex legends or other popular game cheats out?
I don't know why you would create fan software that runs at 0% when disabled rather than 100%. Obviously it's not ideal and you can't run it 24/7 for months on end like that, but your PC won't die if the controller gets disabled, you'll know something is wrong and you'll be able to fix it.
>Riot said when a cheater is detected, it would stop the match right there
haven't heard about that, they might implement that in the future but I hope not, would be annoying as shit to have games end instantly due to hackers
Carson Reed
For a while getting actually UD fortnite/overwatch/and EAC cheats wasn't as easy.
You needed an actual private cheat for it.
now OW has a million memory cheat providers.
Connor Carter
Still no an excuse for an anti-cheat program to disable a system cooling program. There is never an excuse for that.
Grayson Baker
>trusting a company enough to run an exe, but not a driver
Yeah, I'm sure multi-million dollar Riot is not only going to leave a vulnerability in driver by accident, but a leet hacker is going to use it to specifially target YOU.
The real crime here is 1, playing this csoverwatch trash, and 2, that the anti cheat doesnt even work lol.
Jose Sanchez
what's the excuse for it having a vulnerability that could be exploited for Privilege Escalation?
Hudson Roberts
>if hackers find some way to exploit this, they have to specifically target people & can't just do a broad sweep
retard
Jordan Cruz
real life is not an episode of mr robot
Caleb Walker
Youd have to be ultra stupid to think that the chinese goberment is interested in you and you 100gb of porn. Cmon people, you are not important, its just a game, not single chinise man or woman cares about you.
Logan Fisher
>trusting a company enough to run an exe, but not a driver
Yeah there's actually a significant fucking difference there. Try running mimikatz on your computer and see what happens, while a kernel driver can just do that shit without you ever even hearing about it.
>Yeah, I'm sure multi-million dollar Riot is not only going to leave a vulnerability in driver by accident
Companies that live or die by security patch out vulnerabilities on a weekly basis. Vulnerabilities exist, it's just an arms race of finding and patching vs finding an in and pivoting to real damage.
Christopher Turner
>giving tencent root access over your computer
>they "promise" not to every abuse the fact they own your computer
>they blacklist every fucking piece of software that can also access your OS on a driver level as a "cheat" and disable them
Joseph Garcia
>the fact they own your computer
>right click vanguard
>uninstall
>they lost access to the computer
bro...
Andrew Collins
Its super invasive software, yes.
And it doesnt stop cheaters. theres streams of people cheating on valorant and nothing happening to them at all. Riot is still trying to stop them
Justin Morales
>they blacklist every fucking piece of software
only vulnerable outdated shit
my pc works fine when I'm playing valorant
Logan Hill
That the game is trash and so is the anticheat. The cooling program isn't the one causing the problems here.
Brody Reed
Are you retarded or just really really stupid?
John Wright
it is though? if it was made correctly, it wouldn't have been disabled.
If it was made correctly, it being disabled would be an annoyance rather than an issue and would easily be resolved through various means such as connecting it to motherboard pins & letting OS control it rather than some fucking software, getting them to fix it or just uninstalling valorant
Robert Foster
Apparently your brain doesn't though. But I guess that's always been the case for you.
Mason Peterson
>giving Tencent kernel-level access to your computer
No, it's absolutely fine. I completely trust a corporation owned by the Chinese Communist Party to act in my best interests.
Ethan Phillips
you were wrong, no need to be angry about it
Logan Myers
>broad sweep
Ive yet to hear a single specific thing people are worried about. I guess people are just scared by the abstract idea of getting "hacked".
>arms race
Yeah, my moneys on the professional developers. Go check the drivers installed on your pc. You see all those kernel drivers? What makes them secure but not this dogshit anticheat?
Ryan Davis
>installing this shady tencent chinkshit that has root access just to play some csgoverwatch ripoff bullshit
all of my why bros
why take the chance
what about this game is even so appealing