To the people who played this game, do the puzzles make logical sense...

to the people who played this game, do the puzzles make logical sense? i hate playing point n click games where the solution is something you could never figure out without looking it up

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There are no puzzles, it's only facts, lying people and uncovering the truth.

All of the puzzles are arbitrary bullshit, I never know what to do and the game always pretends that the solution is obvious. It even punishes you for trying everything which is even worse because there's no cues or any explanation of what to use where. Only coomers like it for the girls, the story sucks.

There are times where the logic is retarded and assumes the player comes up with the same "logical conclusion" as the protagonist when the solution is fucking stupid, bu most of the time the answers are spelled out for you in the dialogue and context clues.

Confirmed brainlet. Most of the "puzzles" are pretty straightforward and spelled out for you minus a few retarded cases.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. The games have several cases per game you see, and the quality of these cases varies heavily. When you are playing a good case, you can figure out the answer to a puzzle with logic alone easily, provided you have been paying attention to the story and the evidence.
There are several dogshite cases tho, where some puzzles have rather absurd solutions.

In addition, the story quality varies heavily as well. Some cases grab your interest and will keep you interested. Others are boring filler with a stupid plot.

Overall though I'd say that there's more good quality cases than there is bad (both in terms of story quality and puzzle quality): especially in the first game, which is by far the best. I'd give the first game a shot to see if it interests you.

>straightforward
No they fucking aren't. What's the difference between a press and an objection? Why can't I leave the investigation stage before touching every pixel of every room for "clues"? Every case is like that, read your own fucking post where you agree with me.
>there's more good quality cases than there is bad
Wrong, there's more bad than good and the "good" ones are all the moments you're not playing the game. No wonder the series was turned into an anime which is all the same story bits with the useless gameplay padding cut out. The original game offers nothing anymore, unless you like guess+check with rereading the chapter when your lives run out.

Most of the games have the following flow really:
>Decent to bad tutorial case, usually short but begins the over arching plot of the game
>Pretty good second case
>Absolute low point/filler third case
>Amazing and long finale case that ties the over arching plot of the game up

Haven't played the 3DS games but the first game has an extra fifth case not tied to the main game but it's still really good.

One thing you need to do is learn to walk the game through slowly. Sometimes you will already know where the game is going before it gets there, and try to show evidence for the next section before it is time. Once you get used to the game's pace you will realize that the game uses small emotions for the minor niggles and details, and before you do the evidence that spins the case on its head there is a large dramatic buildup.

The main "puzzles" involve reading testimonies and using evidence to prove that the witness is lying. Most of the time it's pretty logical, sometimes the game forces you to grasp for straws (though it will punish you for doing this at other times). Another problem is that there is only one solution/piece of evidence that is considered contradictory at a given time. So sometimes you'll want to use some evidence to point out an obvious flaw, only to be told that that's not the right evidence. In other words, the game wants you to slowly determine what happened, and will punish you for trying to jump to conclusions (even if your conclusions are 100% correct and you have the evidence to prove it).

The puzzles in 1 are easy and all make sense. Later on in the series they start to get more complex and require more thought, but there's also more bullshit ones for a variety of reasons.

>What's the difference between a press and an objection?
press is more info, objection is for contradictions
>Why can't I leave the investigation stage before touching every pixel of every room for "clues"?
because then you'd miss out on vital clues. it's still a VN; it'd make no sense for you to miss important evidence in trial and get a game over

It's not a point and click.
It a Visual Novel with a mystery solving element.
So you'll have all the evidence given to you about a murder mystery and you need to find the correct place to use the correct piece of evidence to move on.

There are *some* Point and click puzzle deals in the investigation parts of the game, but they aren't too hard to get past

>Why can't I leave the investigation stage before touching every pixel of every room for "clues"?
You can. There are story critical items and conversations you need to have but everything else is optional.

>Wrong, there's more bad than good and the "good" ones are all the moments you're not playing the game.

Cool opinion bro, but I disagree. It obviously isn't for everyone, which is why I suggested OP to try the first game to see if he likes it. But I had a lot of fun with these games, and saying that the first game has nothing to offer, just because it doesn't offer anything to you, is just stupid. Personally I'd never watch the Phoenix Wright anime, because it was the puzzle/logic element of the games that interested me foremost, the same goes for a lot of people.

>Why can't I leave the investigation stage before touching every pixel of every room for "clues"?
Because this is a story based game from bac in the day.
This isn't a David Cage/Tell Tale deal where player choice changes the story.
Ace Attorney is a game where you solve a mystery, not a game where you try and find the evidence to solve the mystery.

If you want the latter I would recommend LA noir or the Ace Attorney fan game set in 1840s France starring various anthropomorphic animals, Aviary Attorney.

Are niggas retarded? Everything in this game is simple and straightforward as shit; especially the later games where our becomes brain dead cause they spell nearly everything out for you.

The ends justify the means, Mr. Wright. The ends justify the means.

You're almost right, it usually goes:
>patronizing tutorial case that spells out what to do
>boring second case with a few options to guess+check
>even more boring case with years of bad dialogue and annoying characters with near impossible puzzles you have to brute force
>even longer finale that acts dramatic about the cast of forgettable assholes and makes "revelations" I never cared about, complete with more guess+check "puzzles" with no logic
repeat for 6 entries
>punish you for trying to jump to conclusions
Except when the game wants you to. Jesus, the game is written like you have a script to the story and it punishes you for not reading ahead.
>press is more info
Except it never gives you more info for what you know covers the evidence, it only wants you to address one evidence per testimony.
>objection is for contradictions
Except when you object to the contradiction they don't want you to object, or use a piece of evidence they don't want you to use. It's all arbitrary unless you've played it before.
The case doesn't start unless you hit the right triggers which means I'm running around town like a dumbass until I click the right pixels. It's not fun and it's not informational and the entire story changes in court anyways, making investigation irrelevant padding.
The anime is an infinitely more rewarding version of Ace Attorney, since it doesn't stop you every second to test if you've read the script. Compare it with a VN like Steins;Gate, where the anime gives a glimpse of what the game could be like, while the game lets you experience all of the story.
>story based game from bac in the day
Right, where you're railroaded into one correct choice per scene, given only one way to figure out the mystery. That's how all the good games do it.
No it's fucking not

>Except when you object to the contradiction they don't want you to object, or use a piece of evidence they don't want you to use
Which are rather rare cases.
>Except it never gives you more info for what you know covers the evidence, it only wants you to address one evidence per testimony.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here

Found the retard that lacks basic thinking skills.

So like where were you confused then, Because I don't remember ever being that stuck in Ace Attorney.

>The anime is an infinitely more rewarding version of AA
So you're both a weeb and a faggot

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Yes it fucking is, you're just retarded

>Jesus, the game is written like you have a script to the story and it punishes you for not reading ahead.
Yes, it's a visual novel. It's not meant to make you fucking point out whodunnit and roll the curtains once you get it right.

>le funny -oomer words XD
>can't even beat fucking Ace Attorney
What's it like being literally retarded?

>The anime is an infinitely more rewarding version of Ace Attorney, since it doesn't stop you every second to test if you've read the script.

Once again, cool opinion bro, but I couldn't possibly disagree more. If you had less chromosomes, you'd realize that this is totally subjective and not everyone is going to share your viewpoint.

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>the game is written like you have a script to the story and it punishes you for not reading ahead
Christ dude, it's almost the opposite. If anything it punishes you *for* getting ahead because if you get the right answer to fast you will be stuck trying to find a train of thought to lead you to where you already are.

So do you just not read the Court Record? how can you have so much trouble with something so simple

>I don't understand what you're trying to say here
I press for info about one sentence because I know there's a contradiction there, but they don't revise it because it wants me to see something else.
>lol retard
It's the writers who are retarded, thinking they could make you brute-force solutions and use stockholm syndrome to gain a fanbase

>because I know there's a contradiction there
then you present the evidence? show me one example of this

Don't expect me to play the game again for an example, it happens all the fucking time anyways

>I press for info about one sentence because I know there's a contradiction there, but they don't revise it because it wants me to see something else.
Are you talking about the two points in the whole series where you have to press one statement, then press a previous one?

Sure that's kinda bullshit, but again, that happens literally twice

well it kinda does not

>trying to reason with someone who got pleb filtered by AA
It's hopeless lads.

Anyway, as people have already said, it's case and context dependent. There have been times where I'm at an absolute loss for what piece of evidence they want presented but often it is something you can readily deduce. I've also had the correct answer but presented the "wrong" piece of evidence which comes shortly after in the sequence. In general I don't think it's something that will sour you on the games though, usually you're able to pick up on what's going on unless you're a severe brainlet.

The vast majority of people did not have the problems you did. It's OK if you are shit at logical thinking, not everyone finished High School but it's not the game's or the writer's fault.

>"I'm not enjoying this series."
>"But I'm perfect and have flawless taste and other people like it."
>"This makes me feel bad for some reason."
>"The truth is this game must be shit and they're all idiots."
>"WHEW THAT WAS CLOSE"

Faggots like you are the worst. Just say it wasn't for you and move on.

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You keep complaining about hoe the game is
>Like reading a script and getting asked questions about it's contents every two seconds (paraphrased)

Exactly what were you doing while reading through this visual novel that makes it hard to answer questions about the script

so it's doom

I will never understand people who deliberately enter threads for games they hate just to yell about how much they hate them, it's fucking retarded.

This tirade is laughable - you are actually sperging out over ACE ATTORNEY of all things hahahaha. Do something better with your life man, this is pathetic.

I'm saying the mechanic is useless, it forces you to guess and check every sentence when in reality you should just use one piece of evidence to question them on. It's padding and monotonous.
>pleb filter lmao
>anyways the game has a lot of bullshit where you have to guess
>but if you get stuck you're brainlet
>this series has serious flaws
>hm everyone still likes it though?
>time to complain about it, people are having fun when they shouldn't be
Yeah I'm very smart and this is a good use of my time.
Because it asks questions in an extremely vague way, and doesn't test you on how well you're reading (but how well you've magically predicted the story will go)
Because everyone calls the series godly and it fucking sucks, if I can save one person from suffering through "just one more case" like I did, that's real justice.