Play MMO

>Play MMO
>Has no grinding or quests
>Spend whole time exploring, raids & dungeons and having fun

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Any game that you can't grind in is a bad game.

bait

And it turns out the "whole time" was only a week or two.

I swear some games are just made for people with no lives at all. A development team had to consciously sit down and be like, "How long do we want people to play this game before they've beaten it/experience most of it?" and some faggot crawls out of the woodwork and is like, "One hundred hours, BARE MINIMUM of doing the same shit over and over again should satisfy them dumbfucks."

>I want to become powerful without the effort
you know people that spent hundreds of hours to achieve something just laugh at you, right?

I'm talking about Persona 5 and singleplayer games. MMOs do require "effort" but it isn't anything skill based at all, it's literally just "time invested" which isn't a "skill" I appreciate.
You should be able to whoop ass at the game the second you turn it on if you're good enough, not have to grind for 999 hours to level up a character. Go play a fighting game.

spending 100 hours minimum to beat an mmo or build the perfect PvE character isn't "achieving" anything.

Nigga, that's a HUNDRED fucking hours. I can understand if you played a hundred hours of 3 minute Street Fighter matches, that makes sense, but playing a hundred hours on a single game doing the same boring shit is retarded

>Has no grinding
>Spend whole time grinding
literally what you said

>I'm talking about Persona 5 and singleplayer games
well, I agree on those, but the thread was about MMOs, and a lot of people don't care about proving their skills to online anonymous players to begin with

>beat an mmo
lol, you're the problem

good, so you can move on and find another game

what's wrong with that

this is BAIT. You think it's an accomplishment to stare at your screen and kill a skeleton for 1,000 hours

effort should be based on overcoming new obstacles, not repeating the same one 100 times

>he thinks grinding is exploring and having fun

>use fireball on skeleton
>wait for it to respawn
>use fireball on skeleton
>wait for it to respawn

>300 hours later you level up

THIS is what MMOfags think is "earning" your reward.

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Discipline is a skill. And before you start talking about how "useless" repeating the same thing over and over is, let me remind you, we're talking about video games.

You're not made for MMOs

>300 hours
well, I bet you can't even do that for 2 hours, you pussy

This. Thank you.
You're right, I'm not gonna say something like, "Bro, go learn a language or something useful," but if the game is a STRAIGHT GRIND like Oldschool Runescape where you're basically at a 2/10 fun level the entire time, just go play a 9/10 fun game and spend all that grinding time doing something else.

>Then I woke up

That's kind of what Monster Hunter is. You grind, but it's not a mindless skill rotation.

You know what real discipline is? Getting a job, and spending money on the cash shop to skip bullshit that any dumb 3 year old could be done.

You know what discipline is? Writing a script to automate the process so you don't have to do it yourself, and so you can watch a movie while the grinding happens in the background. There is no discipline in feeding yourself easy dopamine from clicking a button. Real discipline comes from not succumbing to skinner boxes and acting out a set of actions you were preprogrammed to do.

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You guys are just trolling at this point. No one actually will defend this.

Yes i'm gonna take life advice from some random retard on Zig Forums.

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>you're basically at a 2/10 fun level the entire time, just go play a 9/10 fun game
That's just relative. I had plenty of fun grind in OSRS, and it's not grinding 100% of the times. You grind to get stuff to play other aspects of the game, and the "fun" comes and goes. Every game has its moments. Grindfests are just not for you. While you're playing 20 different games that you may not even remember at this point, some asian guy is still grinding and having the same amount of fun as you did. Actually, with less effort, if you think a bit.

>mfw Black Desert Online level soft cap

I swear to god the sheer amount of autism required makes SS13 admins look like functional members of society

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that's addiction, retard

Grinding isn't "discipline". Grinding is turning your brain off and seeing the number go up

You called yourself a retard you realize that?

>Real discipline comes from not succumbing to skinner boxes and acting out a set of actions you were preprogrammed to do.
This. Pick up a hobby like an instrument or learning a language or drawing. MMOs have a 2/10 difficulty for 2/10 fun, while any of those other skills have 8/10 difficulty for 10/10 fun/accomplishment.

The reason you have fun grinding is because your brain lacks the cells to comprehend something more than just clicking the same button over and over

And you think I don't know that? I'll gladly take myself down to make sure this dumb bitch knows he's a retard.

>having fun
Sounds terrible.

>Play MMO
>It isn't actually an MMO because it has no players

based and true

>Learn programming, work for 1 hour
>Spend that 1 hour of pay to buy an account with best gear that takes retards 20,000 hours to grind

>Go into game and start one shotting poorfags who spent all their time & soul on the game

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I much much prefer a game that requires a time investment to one that has daily gating.
I don't care if other people are at the top with me, I just only have two days a week to play games because I work. Dailygating means I'm super far behind everyone else and can never be top tier like I could because I played 20 hours a day for the two days I could back in the days of runescape when it was relevant, or maplestory or city of heroes or wow.
I just don't get the fascination with dailies. Makes no sense to me to force your players to log on, then punish them for wanting to play.

Based.

Maybe if you buy a mobile game account. Most mmos with "endgame" ready or geared accounts run from 500-1000 depending on just how stacked they are (multiple characters, popularity of game, server, etc)

I've sold 8 different FF14 accounts with all70 for $249.99, and 3 different ff14 accounts with all80 for $750.

The reason you have problem with people finding grinding games fun is because your brain lacks the cells to comprehend people enjoying different things than you and you getting personally offended by that is a sign of autism

>t. low iq

Dopamine babies, who are constantly trying out garbage games because they can't have fun for more than an hour act more like desperate adicts than people who casually grind.

No, discipline is going a step beyond fun to achieve something that gives you a satisfaction. Grinding is that. There are rewards along the way.

>your fun is wrong
what a fucking retard

Listen, I have a healthy life. I have a fucking job, 8 hours a day, come home play guitar for a few hours if I need to practice a song for the band or something, or just learn new stuff. Watch a few stupid ass videos on youtube, jack off when alone, and then play some grindfest for a few hours until I go to bed. Sometimes friends join, sometimes other friends invite me to competitive games and we would play together and all. I also play other stuff from time to time. Why the fuck is my way of having fun wrong? What is it that you can't comprehend about people having different taste? Lack of empathy is one of the most indicative traits of autistic children, if you didn't know.

california maintenance jobs pay $200/hr, I haven't bought an account for FF14 but maybe the price is higher because it's subscription-based and popular. Other MMO's I got them much cheaper. Also $750 for an account is cheap I could cover that in a day.

>MMO
>End game is raiding

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imagine wasting your life clicking fireball and waiting for enemies to respawn.

imagine thinking you're somehow making progress in life by playing vidya that isn't a grindfest

Wasting your life isn't the same as not making progress in it

Good for you, my point was more that it's not 1 hour for a programming job to afford an account, and probably not 99.99% of people on Zig Forums.
Most 475-477s on wow (us at least) go for $400-499, for just one character, and on dead servers. ilidan can go as high as 700.
classic is much cheaper, most of them cap out around 200 and that price is from gold more than anything on the account itself you worked for.
I'm curious what games you've bought accounts for now, I've sold for most of the popular mmos, rs, maple, ff(11 and 14) wow, poe, etc etc and the prices are usually about the same for anything you'd consider "endgame".