What's the point of building a pc from scratch when it's much much MUCH cheaper to buy a refurbished business computer...

what's the point of building a pc from scratch when it's much much MUCH cheaper to buy a refurbished business computer and buy a separate GPU?

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in my experience enterprise desktops have always had weird proprietary hardware in terms of IO shields and cooling

nothing really wrong with it
i did it for my first PC

There's a good chance they have nonstandard propritary parts that won't be compatible with parts you do want to use, wear and fatigue from being frequently used for years straight, or being lacking features that you really want such as specific types of connectors on the motherboard, possibly even lacking a full-speed PCIe slot (which undermines your goal of getting a cheap used machine and plopping in a high-tier graphics card). It's like buying most things used, there's a good opportunity to save money but you're also risking buying a heap of problems if you don't look closely enough.

>refurb office shit
>literally worst quality of every part in a case with no airflow
money well spent

any recommended prebuilts I could give good upgrades for cheap?

look on ebay for stuff
just keep this stuff in mind
Its very easy to find computers with 16+ gb, ssds, and i7 processors for under $400
you could also luck out and even find ones never actually used too (just ones that businesses bought as extras but never got deployed) so they don't have the typical wear and tear of a computer used for years straight

You'll also get MUCH, MUCH cheaper components, you blithering fuckwad.

since when?

i like my PCs to be virgins not used whores

dont recommend you that
i work as it on a big company, pcs are fucked

Just stop being stupid. A black kid in England invented a PC, you can put one together too.

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Since prebuilts existed.

Shitty PCBs and PSUs can ruin your day.
But dells aint that bad.

This is the real reason. Hell, you cant even upgrade them without resorting to propietary RAM. Their sockets tend to be obsolete too and can only be sidegraded, meaning that you can only change the cpu in their own generation, not upward.

this, it's always made from cheaper than the cheapest shit you can actually buy normally

also, the cpu is typically a non-overclockable variant. and even if it was you can be damn sure the motherboard doesn't support it

Dell optiplex XX10

EASYBTO WORK WITH, standard atx psu easy to swapout, just use mt edition.

Add in a new gpu and swap out the psu for annew one eas gaming rig

>Friend wants to do exactly that
>Wants me to help
>"So, what ram should I get?"
>8 gigs (currently 4) of the same speed
>"lol wut"
>That's the upper limit to what the motherboard can take
>"Nooooooooooo, you can't just tell me I can't upgrade anyway I want!"

Prebuilts normally have bottom of the bucket mobos and PSUs, alongside other low-end brands for RAM.

Limited options and you can't just slap a 2080ti with a shit cpu, you'll get serious bottlenecks

That's not a bad idea if you want to play entry level games. I prefer choosing my case and motherboard because I know what I can expand. With pre-builts you're more limited.

>upgrade GPU
>end up having to upgrade CPU as well in order to run anything with more than 2 animated things on screen
>have to upgrade the the motherboard to make use of the the new CPU and GPU
>have to Upgrade the fans/cooling to compensate for the new hardware
>have to Upgrade the ram to hold all the additional memory from the upgraded hardware

A computer is only as good as its worst component. You basically bought a case and replaced the internals.

This.

Dells are fucking terrible. I've never seen so many low quality parts thrown together with no rhyme or reason. I've seen Dell computers with shit installed badly in ways that are MORE work than doing it properly.

you can easily find some old workstations with high end cpus for cheap

A high end workstation CPU is generally not going to be good for games anyway so it's a waste of money.

i did it with that exact case. 8g ram with a GTX950 and a i5 3.4ghz... 4670? or so. it has a rough time with pillars of eternity 2

I had a friend act like this when I told him it'd be better to just buy a new mobo and everything for his PC since his had the shit for the cooler glued onto the mobo and he still wanted to remove it to put his own thing in. He took a blowdryer to it to heat up the glue and remove it and then got salty when the shit didn't want to boot after he put it back together.

You're better off getting a performance motherboard with all the new dealies. The cases are usually shitty and too small as well.

what are some good system scanners that can tell me all i need to know for upgrading?

bonzibuddy

You just decide which brand of CPU you want and how much you want to spend, then go from there.