Why was he in dark souls 2?

Why can't ornstein be a ghost guy like everything else in anor londo besides smough and a few mindless k***hts?

because he drops a soul.

You get souls from the other illusions.

Why did you fight Gwyn in the first game, when he died lighting the fire?

At some point you have to say that these games are just excuses for cool boss battles and that all lore is just an artistic background.

What makes you think he died? He's right there

What makes you think that Ornstein died? He's in DS2 and DS3?

I'm specifically asking about Gwyn in this case, everything revolving around Ornstein is a mess.
Also, Gwyn's lore is basically contained in Dark Souls 1, while Ornstein's isn't.

I don’t think he was

>Gwyn's lore is basically contained in Dark Souls 1
Is it? Is that why the Soul of Cinder fights like Gwyn in his second phase?

>ornstein is in ds3
what? where?

It isn't really explained as far as I remember loool

Because everything after Dark Souls 1 is a dumb cashgrab

darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Dragonslayer Armour

It fights like Gwyn because Gwyn lit the fire. It doesn't add anything to Gwyn himself. I also don't know where you got that he literally died by lighting the First Flame, maybe figuratively though.
Not the same with Ornstein, who got his lore turned upside down with each new game.

>phase 2 SoC has Gwyn's moveset
>still can't parry him
gg fromsoft

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I got baited, fuck you

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All the Silver Knights are illusions as well

>It doesn't add anything to Gwyn himself.
Because it's an amalgamation of different lords of Cinder, Gwyn being the most dominant one. It's a Frankenstein monster using Gwyn as the base.

to filter casuals

Because people like him.

isnt it possible that you never even fight the real ornstein and smough in ds1? anor londo is an illusion after all

A nigga wakes up in prison. He doesn't know how long he's been asleep but he knows he's been out cold long enough to become a skinny little bitch. He sees his other inmates crying and walking around aimlessly. They have gone insane from being so skinny. Our nigga is determined to not give in to despair like they did. Whoever locked him up here left the key in the cell. What a fucking dumbass. He unlocks the gate and sets forth.

Based and midwit pilled.

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I can't believe this wasn't the first post

Because fromsoft is big popoo

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It seems likely that we kill the real Smough in DS1, we find his weapon and armour just below Anor Londo in DS3. Given the DS3 story of Ornstein leaving his post to search for the Nameless King, it seems likely that Gwyndolin replaced him with an illusion before we had our fight with biggie and smalls.

When are people going to learn it wasnt Orstein? He was smaller than the real one and his armour was a different colour, it was just a random dragonslayer for an epic reference

Dont think just fight boss then level up for next boss

Because they arent the same person. They had to nerf the one in ds2 like 7 times because people literally cried over it. That's why dark souls 2 is so easy. Because ds1 babbies couldn't adjust to different mechanics without whining on Twitter rebbit and facebook

wait so who's the old dragonslayer? a cosplayer like says?

>Fought this boss on release date
>That’s strange, maybe its a golem meant to look like Ornstein!
>Maybe he’s a descendent of the Anor Londo knights!
>Maybe Gwyndolin’s illusions went haywire and are stretched across the land!
The answer:
>Nope lol he’s just old as fuck hah hah that will be 60 dollars please

If he was a cosplay it would have been nice for the fucking game to tell us.
All we get is:
>Hmmm this is Ornstein’s shit, but its all corrupt for some reason...
>hmmm....
Bunch of hacks. Blame Ds3 for nostalgia baiting all you want but there was at least a reason why Havels / Ornstein / Gwyndolin showed up

>kills Ornstein in 1
>just kidding now he's alive again but with some dark magic
>just kidding that was an illusion and the original ornstein actually ran away and died in some dragon shithole

It does seem like someone cosplaying Ornstein, the same way we see knights cosplaying Havel throughout the series. It certainly doesn't make much sense for the Old Dragonslayer to be the real Ornstein, especially given all the dark magic he's using.

Because he looked cool and had a better 1v1 move set than big boy, so the devs figured they'd port him as it would take no effort and would give an enjoyable enough fight and let players get cool looking armour. Any other answer is horse shit.

i mean people cosplayed havel because they were his army right? and i dont think ornstein had anything like that, he was just a lone wolf. i smell some fuckery. fromsoftware why

People cosplayed havel because he was something people liked in das1 and it takes no effort to port his gear to the new game.

Havel didn't have an army. He was just a knight in Gwyn's army happened to be a badass. Artorias was the lone wolf, Ornstein was the knight captain, he lead all the knights of Gwyn's army.

Havel was a badass Bishop.

"different mechanics" you can just say bad yknow

He drops the portion of Gwyn's lord soul that he left with Gwyndolin as an indication of his changing allegiance (to Nameless), along with his knight's signet that binds the illusion

that's the fucking point

I always saw ODS as one of Ornstein's knights that got corrupted by the dark, and Dragonslayer Armor as another Dragonslayer Knight not under Ornstein's command, and with a different method of slaying dragons. I imagine the Dragonslayers were a fairly large sect of knights