Helios > Illuminati >>>>> Living in shitty villages

Helios > Illuminati >>>>> Living in shitty villages

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Yeah, that is correct.
We are but progenitors for something greater and our reward is eternal glory.

Nah, OP:
>Helios == Illuminati >>>>>>>>>>>>>> warlords
is closer. Which ending is better of the good two is genuinely subjective to each player and run arguably, and depends on whether you want to put your faith into JC or put your faith into humanity overall for a while longer. I liked both but if I think about what JC I'd have faith in I think it would depend on my run itself. Like on a no-kill run or one where I was really trying to do the minimum and figure things out, I'd take the chance on an artificial god with him as the core. But I can also see on other runs where I just had fun gunning the shit out of everything where JC himself might think about it and decide he didn't trust himself with that kind of power. I love that about DX too.

The anarchy thing though was just fucking retarded. If you blow away all structures... they just come right back. If we look back to pre-modern humanity it wasn't some utopia unless you have total rose glasses, the nasty ruthless psychopaths mostly ruled with even MORE power. Corporations would take over even fucking harder. Plus without modern tech billions would starve to death.

Ah well, at least two of the endings were fantastic. And the music for dark age was sweet.

I get that Tong wants to get rid of the jews controlling the world but the way to go about doing that is so completely retarded and detrimental to humanity as a whole.

Humans are unable to govern because they are easily corruptible. The Illuminati missions showed us that. The perfect government can only be achieved by perfect beings, unbiased and lawful.

>play a moral JC according to your own beliefs
>pick Helios
this is the only somewhat good ending.

Desperate. Your turn.

A benevolent dictator is the best form of government but we're limited by human flaws and failings

Nice ass

Desperate.

>Humans are unable to govern because they are easily corruptible
But this is objectively false user. We got to where we are today with hundreds of years of more progress then the entire previous history of humanity combined by human governance. Sure, you can pick plenty of nits, we're imperfect, but even so we live in an age so golden that people born in it who don't really study history can't even comprehend it. Hell, even if you do it's hard to comprehend what things were like even a hundred and change years ago when they didn't have antibiotics for example, or before the development of synthetic nitrogen fixation. In the 1800s life expectancy was in the 50s. Artificial light after dark was dirty, risky, low quality, and relatively expensive.

"Humans can't govern perfectly because of corruption and other issues" is very different from "Humans are unable to govern". We can and have built systems to try to deal with our weaknesses to some extent. We can again and can make them better.

Going from that to a synthetic god is a big gamble. If it goes well, we really would enter an incredible new paradigm and things would be vastly better. But conversely if it goes badly it'd be a I Have No Face And I Must Scream thing of utter horror without end. Personally if I had control I'd prevent a singularity until we at least had the solar system colonized and preferably a few other star systems too, so that the light speed limit would make it hard for a bad AI to get ALL of us. And ideally you'd try to have multiple AI gods go active all at the same time on different worlds, raising the chances at least one will go well and not be insane/actively hostile.

FREEDOM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything else

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All of the endings are terrible. Invisible War confirms that the Helios ending is just your typical dickass AI overlord that wants to "combine" (read: subjugate) humanity. Both the Illuminati and Tong ending have identical outcomes. Shutting down the central net just destabilizes the world for a bit before returning to the norm. The Illuminati are a bunch of assholes that don't really care about anyone and are almost completely irrelevant, and thus likely to be overshadowed yet again by some other even scummier shadow organization.

>Invisible War
was mediocre, and the fact they tried to "EVERY ENDING IS CANON XD" rather then man up and pick one of them was a big fundamental reason why it was mediocre.

God if Ted knew how we were all slaves to boxes in our pockets, he might actually OD his meds.

Desperate

Ohyes.

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Many people I know that have played both games, didn't get to a point in IW where the previous game's endings took the stage. They dropped it way before that because the game had lots of other problems. The endings all being canon is not a "big fundamental problem" at all.

Old men
Warning.
Warning.

Tong's ending is a fool's errand. As IW shows, the network is rebuilt in less than a decade, and is far more powerful and refined than the old one had ever been. In fact, the destruction served as an excuse to update archaic stuff.

>But conversely if it goes badly it'd be a I Have No Face And I Must Scream thing of utter horror without end
>Not believing in the singularity
>Skynetfags
God I hate organic fags so much.

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Is Invisible War worth a playthrough to satisfy curiosity or should I just ignore it and play Human Revolution instead?

Do you want to know what happened after DX? Play IW. HR is a prequel.

>>Not believing in the singularity
But I do, I literally stated it like two sentences later. Singularity though is not good or bad itself, it just represents the emergency of sentience beyond our comprehension. Whether it's good or bad is something we probably only have limited ability to influence, but we can raise our odds.

Like, why would you think they'd be any inherently better then the sentiences we have now are? We have a whole spectrum. I'd be happy to see the best ascend, but I'd be pretty fucking worried to live under the worst transcended too (by which I mean I'd kill myself if I was able to before they made that route of escape impossible).

Which is probably why there is no Tong ending in IW at all. It's silly Fight Club bullshit which was culturally relevant at the time of Deus Ex but not so much Invisible War. And IW also takes itself a lot more seriously than Deus Ex does.

Yes. At least try it. It's not as good as the first game but it's nowhere near as bad as the retards who never played it for more than five minutes make out. Ironically, the people who spout that crap are usually the same people who rain shit on anyone who disparages the original Dues Ex as being "brainlets who never got passed Liberty Island."

No. Well, maybe, in fairness it's probably a 7.5/10 game that gets shit on far far more then it would if have been if it didn't follow up a 10/10. But it did and it was a big disappointment in more ways then story too, but even on that front was enough of a cluster* that I have a hard time really considering it canon even though of course it is. Spector didn't direct IW, but he pointed to a lead from the original game. However, he too was really busy, as were tons of other experienced guys, so lead designer ended up falling to Ricardo Bare who had a total lack of experience because all the better guys were unavailable.

I mean, it still has some interesting moments and I guess it's kind of a historical artifact at this point. But it's tempting to suggest you just skip it and play HR instead.

America was supposed to be a land where we don't need a police or big central government. We arm ourselves and if someone tries to fuck with us we fight. The way this country has been subjugated largely sneakily is so fucking horrifying.

>America was supposed to be a land where we don't need a police or big central government
Nope, that was the Confederation of america, under the "Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union". It was a very loose knit decentralized affair like you want. It didn't work, it was a miserable fucking failure in fact and got replaced like 12 years later by our modern US Constitution specifically to greatly increase the power of central government. No man is an island.