Thoughts on Grail Knight coming to Vermintide 2??
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Thoughts on Grail Knight coming to Vermintide 2??
Aaron Myers
Noah Fisher
I stopped playing after WoM came out, and I heard that every update after WoM made things worse and worse. Have they started kicking back yet or is it still in a downward spiral?
Julian Murphy
thanks i hate it
Benjamin Morgan
Part of the issue is that people don't like change. The game might be too easy, they might even complain that it's too easy, but any change to make it harder will be met negatively, every time. This applies to the core change of dodge window immunity, stagger system, and also the big talent rework that came with the 2.0 patch. Some dislike the fact that it gets more difficult, probably upset that they could previously beat Legend but can't anymore, others dislike the fact that their favorite build is 'ruined' and doesn't work anymore.
Overall, almost all of the changes intentionally brought with 2.0 were good for the health of the game and only improved the combat, imo, and anyone who is still complaining about them either didn't give it a proper try or is still upset that it's not as braindead as before.
However, hate of change is not the only reason. The other main reason for the ton of negative feedback on the combat changes is that people confused bugs with features. 2.0 came out really, really buggy. Extremely bug-ridden. Some of the more subtle ones got confused for more stagger changes.
Steam user deja vu recently made a very good post explaining this aspect of it. For example, there were severe hit detection bugs, you'd hit a dude tons of times but he didn't die! Why? Clearly it's the new shitty stagger system! When in reality your hits weren't getting registered.
Another example, clearly I dodged that attack perfectly! Why did I just die? Clearly it's the new dodge window! when in reality, speeding up the animation of all enemies in champ and legend had severe bugs with animation, resulting in the animation being slower than the action. You'd get hit before the animation showed him hitting you.
Lucas Perry
These kind of issues got people really bitter, and people thought they were part of the intentional changes to combat, so that's the picture they got. Now that all these issues are fixed, and the imbalanced changes balanced (the enemy speedup was removed, for instance), people should be receiving them much more merrily, and they overall do.
I hope I didn't ramble too much! Tl;dr: people get butthurt over change, and people mistook some bugs present at WoM launch for part of the intentional combat changes, so they believed the combat changes to be bad. Now those who left continually hate on the game despite the game having resolved these issues and being in it's best state it's ever been. We recently got 3 of the best maps for free, and they announced season 3 that will introduce some map variation and a new career. They will explain what's coming on their stream June 18. Also, if you're wanting to jump back in, give this a read for a returning player. It's an excellent write up: old.reddit.com
Tyler Ortiz
The problem is that the warhammer fanbase is too autistic and complain about anything. That combined with the devs being lazy pieces of shit doesn't help. The game is amazing though.
Chase Price
>One class only
>For one Character that already have a knight class
>When they could just have made an entire bretonnian cosmetic skin for Kruber
>And is a premiun class
>And it will be sold separated from incoming classes, instead of already either sold them all togheter, or just an adition to a new DLC
What the hell was Fatshark thinking?
Matthew Collins
pretty sure it's rumored that all characters will get a new career. we'll find out on their dev stream.
John Martin
Well said, the patch revived the game for me and my friends.
Wyatt Edwards
Their problem was re-using the same characters for Vermintide 2. Who wanted that over brand new ones?
Connor Torres
thinken about moneys
Luke Collins
We know. But thing is that they shoyld have just released all of them, instead of one.
Hudson Foster
fatshark's problem was always inability to keep up with content demand
Kayden Cooper
So what can be the classes for the others?
>Dwarf Engineer
>Witch Hunter ???
>Elf Wardancer
> Bright Wizard...Not Bright?
Carter Cooper
>3 of the best maps
Enchanter's Lair has extremely unfair mechanics. Only the centre of the room is safe but the target of the boss gets a severe knockback to the edges of the room and is unavoidable. Even worse, the boss is oddly classified as a Berserker when no other final boss is. Good luck clearing it on Cata QP without a Bluntsman specced for Berserker damage. Meanwhile, the finale event of Blood in the Darkness is easily cheesed with convenient pillars. You're giving the free maps too much credit.
Oliver Miller
So whatever happened to that Versus Mode they promised? Is it out yet?
Lincoln Adams
And their complete and utter lack of internal organization.
Ayden Allen
>still no dedicated servers
fuck you too, scandinavian trash
Zachary Green
This is what I’m waiting for. Fuck French Kruber and more weave trash. A balanced versus will breathe life back into this bloated corpse of a game.
Angel Morgan
So it's STILL not out yet? When is it coming? Why are they announcing and promising other new content when the old promises haven't even been fulfilled yet?
The original trailer announced it literally a year ago on June 10
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Cameron Cruz
Nevermind that its paid or anything Im ok with that.
The biggest issue is the More rape here.
How is Kruber an Empire citizen with the Taal faith suddenly a worshipper of the Lady an exclusive faith to Brets only and on top of that a Grail Knight who ar essentially proto Space Marines?
Its there when its ready. There is not much else to say. At the start they started to do that often but with time they couldnt keep up, so they remained silent, but now they also had a shortage of employees who work on that project plus the Corona issue.
Nolan Morgan
Did you even watch the video? Lore issues were already a peripheral concern. Them adding grail knight is no more lore breaking than some of the other previous careers already in the game. just play the game for fun you lore stickler
Lincoln James
Haha bro lore who cares about that :)))) just consume product without criticizing
Camden Torres
They're trying to squeeze out as much money out of people now via microtransactions.
Jason Williams
>grail knight class
>it's actually just one career for an existing class
nice false marketing
Jayden Edwards
whole ends times is just fanfic anyways.
Eli Moore
Yea. I'll play Grail Knight for all that new gameplay variety and fun while you wrack your brain over worry for lore inconsistencies.
Charles Bennett
>just play the game for fun you lore stickler
But the game hasn't be fun for a long time.
Jaxon Myers
No I did not. Unless its from the devs mouth explaining it its essentially useless.
Lore is highly upheld by GW and there must be a reason for that.
So far nearly everything made sense even Kerillian shifting to a Shade since its the same race after all, but with Kruber being a Grail Knight....unless there is a very special reason for that its simply dumb.
Lore was always a huge drive for fans.
Its just WAR tier of dumb to throw it out of the window.
Cameron Smith
well yea not shit, game is boring when you just play champion and don't progress beyond, like doing deed modifers with twitch mode on weekly event on cata. no shit you're not having fun if you don't actively add modifiers
Jaxson Barnes
>I'll play Grail Knight for all that new gameplay variety and fun
good luck with that, vermintide 2 devs hate fun if they see it they will nerf it
Kevin Allen
>everything made sense even Kerillian shifting to a Shade since its the same race after all
Maybe you should brush up on your lore, master of Warhammer fantasy lore.
Ryder Mitchell
Im still checking it from time to time and it has many major improvements. I wouldnt say that the fun is completely gone but it definitely got soured with how the game started out.
I would play him too, but its still fucking dumb, especially when they made such great efforts to represent the world you faggot.
Jordan Carter
Maybe you should brush your anus you fucking faggot.
Jose Barnes
>premium class
Funny these devs are from sweden, I swear they were actually from Israel. They fucked the game already since beta by nerfing characters in a fucking PvE game. Do you think Valve nerfed surviors in L4D because someone found certain mechanics that were fun? And now that nigger kikes have added microtransactions to the fucking game
Wyatt Howard
ok, explain why beastmen are allied with chaos and skaven. beastmen detest technology, so why are they ok with the skaven?
Christian Anderson
>Kruber is now aggressively not!French
The fuck
This is against all logic
Brandon Ross
>thinking that a wood elf can just sudden become a dark elf
they are not the same race you idiot
Mason Reed
>wood elf can becomes a dark elf ezpz
Are you fucking stupid?
Robert Nelson
They will likely nerf him after 2-3 months when enough time has passed where he could dominate the majority of games.
Then he will get toned down with lots of whining to follow.
Is that a serious question?
Because they are like Skaven children of Chaos. Bestmen always tag along Chaos Warbands if the march to war, it wouldnt even be Skaven in the first place. Their hate for technology has nothing to do with that in the first place as long as they are going to get into the fight against the enemies of the Chaos Gods to earn favor.
Problem with Beastmemes in VT is that they lack a proper leader with somewhat of a purpose like we saw in the trailer for the DLC.