Byleth is the only well designed DLC Pass Char

>competitive smash bros

Just play the character you think looks cool.

Any list that puts Female Byleth or Corrin as the default is automatically invalid.

Byleth is literally the most middle of the road character of the roster.

They even list Simon as the echo when these fags probably only know Richter from the "Die Monster" memes.

Why the fuck did you put Dedede in "Please dumb this character" you fucking piece of shit
Just increase his air mobility as it should be and he'll be good.

>Jr in the Dump

get good and learn how to use his projectiles better.

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>dump pacman
what? only thing he needs is rev roll and butt bounce, everything else is fine.

>fags on Zig Forums that play over wifi pretend to know more about the game then a top competitive player
LMAO

The fighting game characters are all poorly designed. Motions work well in traditional fighting games because your movement is restricted and you are just focusing on one guy. It's a cluster fuck when you are jumping all over the play and dodging lava. Also, motions isn't unique.

you guys have the most retarded hangups holy fuck

So you are saying that Smash isn't a fighting game?

>Dabuz
>thinks Rosa is well designed when she gets a free pass out of disadvantage by letting Luma hit you when she's knocked back
Garbage opinions all around, Dabuz's word means nothing when the entire reason he's a top player is by abusing gimmicks and timing people out.

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Why do you fags make up reasons when they're out there and explained? The reason Terry is there is that his design is mostly good, but his disadvantage state is ridiculously bad, and his strengths don't make up for it. Also, auto-turn around is awkward, and his jab is overcentralizing.

Dabuz hasn't timed people out in years. And he's still a top ten player. What's your excuse?

Most people making games are out of touch and have their heads far inside their own asses.
You don't need some college degree to determine a character is poorly realized and not fun/unbalanced.
This one hurts. I still like dabuz though

>copypasted Fire Emblem faggots who spam super fast disjointed aerials over and over
>well-designed

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>Don't attempt to kill Luma and let Rosa take full advantage of her central gimmick
>WAAAAAAAAAH FREE PASS
lol these are the people you talk about smash with

Whatever you say, coomer.

I mean, it's a good design, but there didn't need to be four of them.

>still talking about My First Fighting Game For Babies: Button Mash To Win
This insanity needs to end. Anyone over the age of twelve still playing this needs some serious help.

No it's not. If a character has so many positive match-ups that you can solo win tournaments with them, and every big name player learns to play them solely to capitalize on those match-ups, then the character is overtuned. The only exception to this is Marth because he can't slam out the same brain dead move constantly while short-hopping, he has to actually try and set up shit while maintaining some positive qualities (and weaknesses.)

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Leave Luigi alone

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>all my mains in the redo category
I can’t tell this is made by a salty faggot

I mean, it's true. Byleth is the most honest DLC character so far. It's exactly what they promise and does exactly what you expected them to do. There's no gimmicks or overtuned moves that lowers or raises his tier at any given moment.

The optimal way to play Marth is to spam nair, fair and down tilt though.

I tried playing this garbage and all anybody does is hang back and wait for you to throw out a move, then run in and hit you during the downtime. They aren't trying to hit you or baiting out moves, they just wait really far away and pray you get bored and rush in. Even shoryuken-spamming flowchart Ken wasn't this gay, and yet every character in Smash does this. I think the ONE guy I fought who didn't use this fucking tactic was Pac-Man.

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>Shulk needs a redo
after playing with him for so long I have to say I'm pretty used to him
its just really hard to do consistently good with him when he can be really good and do really cool things
if they changed him now it would feel like all the effort I put in would go to waste

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Dabuz is a big lipped-ass fag

I know, I wish they took more inspiration from the World games

I love Meta Knight!

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Oh please, if it were actually that easy to keep Luma dead Rosa would be bottom tier. Rosalina gets a free hit of someone just so happens to knock her back but not Luma and that's terrible design.

Overtuned =/= bad design. It's also not inherently bad to have safe moves for pressure. The problem with them is that they're too strong at doing what they do, but their design isn't bad.

>dr. Mario better designed than Mario
>Diddy, inkling, richter, and wario poorly designed
>the entirety of “please dump” category
>skins in the echoes
This isn’t even laughable. This has to be bait

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Luigi is the most unfun character to fight in the game, arguably more so than Little Mac. He desperately needs a revamp.

When will you tremendous faggots realize it is virtually impossible to perfectly balance this many characters? There will ALWAYS be at least one character who is miles above the others, and at least one who is bottom of the barrel shit at all matchips. ALWAYS

this isn't about balance though, retard
even a cursory glance would've told you that

The FE characters aren't even that used/hyped anymore. But feel free to keep seething about literally nothing.

You're the one who hasn't read the thread, dipshit

He lists Samus as the echo for fuck's sake.

It's 95% about design, not balance, as was the original topic. Come on, try your hardest to save more face.

I could see him getting more Mansion inspired moves later and I know people hate a lot of his shit. Either way, I'd still play him because he's my favorite.

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