> “Throughout the 50-year history of D&D, some of the peoples in the game – orcs and drow being two of the prime examples – have been characterized as monstrous and evil, using descriptions that are painfully reminiscent of how real-world ethnic groups have been and continue to be denigrated,” the new statement reads in part. “That’s just not right, and it’s not something we believe in. Despite our conscious efforts to the contrary, we have allowed some of those old descriptions to reappear in the game. We recognize that to live our values, we have to do an even better job in handling these issues. If we make mistakes, our priority is to make things right.”
>Going forwards, D&D will be making those things right with a six-point plan. Outside of the game itself, these include the use of sensitivity readers on upcoming and current Dungeons & Dragons sourcebooks as part of the creative process, and a commitment to “proactively seeking new, diverse talent to join our staff and our pool of freelance writers and artists,” a move already made for products set to release in the next year, but a policy being maintained going forwards.
gizmodo.co.uk
D&D will address issues with orcs being seen as evil due to racism
>Look at orcs
>See black people
>"But we're totally not the racists, guys!"
>orcs are violent stupid tribal morons who can't achieve anything on their own
>we have decided this is racist against black people
very interesting.
About time. As half orc barbarian I have received nothing but pregidous. People quote rules books at me and laugh at me for not being able to read. It's time this ends.
Why do blacks make everything about them? Aren't orcs usually based on monguls and not blacks anyway? At least in Elder Scrolls and WoW that's the case.
lol, no one actually plays actual D&D. Its all about pathfinder now.
>drow are still evil, but thats because now they a patriarchal society
>pathfinder after 2e
Yikes!
clown world
Isn't PAthfinder SJW now too?
Isnt someone saying that orcs being racist against blacks is actually really racist?
Never read pathfinder rulebook, how ?
Despite making up 13% of the population orcs commit 50% of all violent crime
Is it? Time to make our own version.
I can guarantee you that blacks aren't even thinking about this. It's really amazing though they don't realize what they are saying is racist with their comparison of blacks and orcs. In my entire life I have never such a connection and never heard anyone else mention it.
I dunno I just assume it is since everything else is now
All of the attacks on media portrayal of race are being spearheaded by middle class straight whites who feel so inferior and weak that they unironically and subconsciously empathizes with what they racistly think of as the lesser people of the earth and so work to raise them up to raise their own perceptions of themselves. Very few blacks actually care about superfluous shit like this.
I've met more people that play D&D than Pathfinder.
Thanks for adding zero discussional value to a thread that's already not even Zig Forums related.
Yes, the steriotype of rapist orcs should end.
>tolken based the D&D races on real life races
>he later denies it because of enlightenment movement
>now races are being added to D&D because they want to bring races back
Hilarious
>D&D is all about making your own stories, adventures, settings even
Why should we care about the backgrounds they provide?
Get a group of pals and start a party that goes around to lynch orcs and goblins. They're fictional beings and before D&D made this inane post nobody thought of them as anything else but a an evil fictional race youc an dispose of for the sake of your adventure.
It's like the more you virtue signal, the more racist you actually become.
Good
Brave and wonderfully inclusive decision by D&D
Now finally racist, bigoted races such as elves can properly include orcs in their societies and start paying orc reparations
lul no
yours truly
fa/tg/uy gm
>captial W White seems aggressive
How do these people even fucking function in the real world?
So how does this change how my group views orcs as something to be purged because theyre orcs?
If you don't capitalize W in white, but do capitalize all other racial descriptors, it implies that white is the default from which all others diverge. You can be Black, Brown, or normal!
It's their world now.
Shoulda let me say nigger.
Lie in bed.
But I like this. "Always chaotic evil" has always been annoying and removes depth from the world.
Tolkien explicitly described his inspiration for their features as based on mongol people yeah.
Orcs are literally monsters either way though and Tolkien's remarks were specifically about physical characteristics. They're not some veiled racial analogue to humans.
The only time the whole orcs = black people thing is brought up it's people claiming they're trying to stamp out racism.
Nothing in the article mentions black people
>Shoulda let me say nigger.
I have no idea how you ended up on this line within a single reply.
Who fucking cares? Nothing will come of this, just like fucking always with WotC.
They have claimed the world, dumbass
They have a transgender dwarf shaman as an iconic character.
Good. They will have development rather then bog standard evil race of rapists and rampaging salt sowers.
>We wanna fight evil racist prejudice
>Orcs are more faceted than you think! Embrace their culture
God americans are so retarded
This.
Blacks are literally "wtf is this D&D white nerd shit and why is this racist cracka comparing me to a fucking tribal barbarian".
But thats basically all the essence of blm.
Pampered white suburb Americans doing the usual cliche white people shit and no one that is addressed and not totally whitewashed has absolutely no fucking idea what crazy shit the whites are up to again.
Blm is so painfully a white American thing I can feel losing melanin and getting fat just by reading about it.
They can't even tie their shoes without an anxiety attack
Whiteys have pretty active imagination. Now if only it's used for something better like big anime tiddies.
Clear this up for me.
Did Tolkien consider orcs to be completely irredeemable or just irrideemable in practice? A race of evil men doesn't mesh well with christian philosophy.
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>have been characterized as monstrous and evil, using descriptions that are painfully reminiscent of how real-world ethnic groups have been and continue to be denigrated
Oh so killing, raping, pillaging, etc are not evil activities? Are they actually just peacefully protesting all this time?
>Did Tolkien consider orcs to be completely irredeemable
Yes
>A race of evil men doesn't mesh well with christian philosophy.
Which is why he struggled a lot with writing them and in some ways regretted doing it that way. You should be able to find his letters about this online, his thoughts on his stories are pretty interesting.
Wait, isn't drow socienty canonically more or less an asshole ruling class that worships a chaotic evil deity of backstabbing while the rest are normies who play along because don't want to get killed or turned into drider. And there is the fact that they live in rather unhospitable place with charming neighbors like mind flayer, beholders and aboleths?
>not just playing 2nd edition forever
What wasn't inclusive about it?
>using descriptions that are painfully reminiscent of how real-world ethnic groups have been and continue to be denigrated
anyone with a functioning brain knows they mean blacks and browns
>Tolkien
>Later changes things due to the enlightenment
Good to know Tolkien was actually hundreds of years old you fucking moron.
Alignment is terrible and should be scrapped entirely so I support any move towards that regardless of the tortured reasoning they use to get there.
Reminder that DND orcs used to look like this.
they're even gonna rework Curse of Strahd
> murder
> mutilation
> killing / eating children
> turning people in monsters
all ok
> stereotypical portrayal of gypsies
not ok
>killing, raping, pillaging
Thats called cultural enrichment, user. Stop being such a racist biggot, it's current year for yikes sake.
people really think they're some kind of noble white savior because they make orcs less evil? fucking hell we have some massive retards in white culture
>steriotype of rapist orcs should end
kek
>that time one of my players in pathfinder played the meme gentlemen orc
It was amusing watching him be the only one who somehow managed to roll the right rolls and had the charisma and skills to be invited to a fancy ball
While the literal prince was deemed too rude
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>blacks
LOL. Blacks don't give a fuck about dnd. This is purely virtue signaling white leftists.
Honestly I think seriously comparing orcs to human races is more racist than anything.
Yes. It's pretty much more analogous to a corporate environment. A few assholes on top and everyone else just trying to make their way as best as they can. They have even kind of realized that their god is an asshole that doesn't care about them, but they think that they can just use them for at least a little bit of power.
This is satire right? Please say yes.
here we go, now there’s going to be rules around what kind of fantasy race are in a game
Looks like GWs decision to call them Orks paid off in the end
I see, and I will.
Thank you.
fuck elves (but don't have sex with them)
For me savage orc tribes vs civilized human kingdoms always seemed more like the fantasy take on Ancient Rome getting threatened by Northern European baberians
Got I hate liberals so much. Nowadays no day passes without them ruining or censoring another franchise or hobby which they didn’t create
No problem, always nice to be able to help out someone who is genuinely interested in this stuff rather than just shitposting.
/tg/ is vidya during blackouts.
>removing the text
gay
>self hating blacks might see themselves in these marginalized races that we have designated as evil simply for the sake of having an adversary that players don't have to feel guilty for beating up on
>We need to get rid of this type of thing, because people will probably think that an entire race of people could be completely and utterly evil just by existing
How about goblins? We know who they represent.
>Did Tolkien consider orcs to be completely irredeemable
Yeah pretty much, though it's a little more nuanced than that.
His orcs were evil because they were manipulated to be that way by a larger evil in some sense.
Not innately bad but successfully twisted by something that may have been. That meshes a little bit better, but yeah like there's a good bit of introspection by Tolkien on his work.
Sorry, was the only one I had saved.
They still look like this in the rest of the world. Moblins from Zelda are fucking Orcs. It's only the west that wanted to move them away from their original pig like nature for some reason.
You'd think there'd be a market for black and brown people getting to consoome stories and fantasies that don't just rehash them being fucking slaves and victims.
His writings came about just as Nazis were becoming THE ENEMY. His denial of race politics in his genre was due to his hatred of Nazis. Before the explicit enemization of Nazis, it was normal to think niggers were lower on the chart than whites and it was normal to think whites were superior. It was only after Nazis escalated this normal and widespread belief and put it on a pedestal that it forced entire world to re-examine the whole racial superiority belief and the division it created.