Dooms humanity because muh surrogate daughter

>moral rules of modern society apply in the post apocalypse

The problem wasn't even that they weren't sure. The problem was that a vaccine probably wouldn't change much. We never see the spores be a big problem unless people move into infested areas for some reason. It won't help you when a clicker is tearing your throat out. It will only be useful if you're scratched and survive.
A vaccine is better than nothing, but when you can get the same result by wearing a leather jacket and staying out of infected areas it's not that impressive.

Now, if the game had told us about spores spreading suddenly, infecting camps before people can react, or if there was a good reason for going into infected areas, then a vaccine would be nice.

>trusting literal terrorists to make a cure
>they already fucked up 4 times before

Go ahead and explain how the Fireflies would have the industrial capacity to produce and distribute a vaccine nationwide

it's a good point because I haven't played the game in a few years but I'm pretty sure all the death scenes including clickers are Joel getting torn to shreds so not really sure what a vaccine is going to do to stop that from happening

TLOU2 goes through great lengths to contrive a reason to treat Joel like a bad guy who squandered the one miracle chance humanity had at survival even though it doesn't hold up to scrutiny even with all the retcons. It's just our boy Neil being upset that people didn't accept how he viewed the ending of the first game and throwing a game-sized tantrum.

All people exept the ones in his brothers commune were not worth saving you brainlet.

>I would let my daughter die for the greater good!
Don't ever have kids. Billions of years of evolution and somehow humans have regressed to letting their offspring die and openly advocate for it.
What went wrong?

He didn't doom anything your brainlet. He merely maintained the status quo. Besides even IF the vaccine was madez that wouldn't undo the enormous fucking damage that the world had already suffered, not would it get rid of murderous zombies running around. The cure would change very little if nothing at all. The real retards are people saying he doomed anything.

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>saved
>cure
Isn't The Last of Us theme, at least the part 2, that it's leftist art? As in it focuses on sordidness, defeat and despair? You talk about a cure as if it would have any effect in a leftist art piece, it's like a monkey paw, it always lead back to defeat because leftists cannot imagine beauty or victory.

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everyone in the game is a piece of shit. They all got what they deserved.

Well, the story works much better if a vaccine was more important. Joel did a selfish thing, killing people so he could save his replacement daughter. And the real betrayal came at the end when he lied to Ellie about it. If he did the right thing he'd have no reason to not tell the truth.
But the problem is that he seems more sane than the fireflies, since they're doing something bad for the chance that they might get a vaccine that won't make much of a difference anyway. It moves Joel's actions from a grey area into something more good and sensible. If he really squandered the one chance for a miracle then the ending would be better - but it's just too late to mention that in the sequel.

It's not just too late, it's backtracking, because the first game explicitly pushes you towards thinking that it's a wild goose chase.

Cuck porn.

>here is this person "immune" to it
>let's kill her first and foremost
>nothing else is even a remotely viable option because reasons

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BASED.

I don't even see how Druckmann and Naughty Dog can justify that change of heart suddenly after delivering her.

The fact that Neil had to put in the "Marlene goes to tell Joel after waffling" to make that ending have some sense is hilarious.

>I'm just delivering you so I get paid
>FUCK YOU JOEL! YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD!
>...Do you want me to be?
>No, because I'm going to save the world
>B-b-but Ellie, I want to be your adopted dad!
>*steals her from the doctors after delivering her*
Fuck parents. And fuck the Zig Forums triggered anons that can't see Joel was wrong.

>thinking blood alone would create a vaccine from something that changes the physical body
Ok, user.

>not spreading
It's a "fungus" and airborne infection, user. It would surely spread.

>Billions of years of evolution and somehow humans have regressed to letting their offspring die and openly advocate for it.
>Your child is immune and could save other children!
>OH NO I DON'T WANT THEM TO DIE WHEN I CAN PUMP MY CUM INTO ANOTHER WOMAN TO HAVE A NEW ONE!
Take your own advice and never have kids, dude.

Don't forget that the man is the ONLY doctor in the whole world who could ever produce a vaccine and the bad white man Joel killed him. Do you see how Joel is evil now?

Sometimes you lie to children because they are just unable to deal with things, you don't want Ellie to feel like those people died because of her.
Honestly, if the people who wrote this weren't to the left of Stalin, we would have had a completely different story about sacrifices, family, growth and passing the torch.

You can't vaccinate against fungal infection, the entire premise is retarded. The medical community is starting to develop immunotherapeutics but there would be no need to take a person's brain out, you would need to harvest active living antibodies to study.

There us literally no such thing as a fungal antibody in real life.

The fireflies were just a cult.

>Fuck you dad I'm going to save the world by killing myself
Hey isn't that the exact basis of the "Extinction Rebellion" movement?

I think the game just did a poor job of explaining how important the vaccine was. We did lose Tess early on in the game because of a bite she survived, and the same happened with Sam later on.
I'm guessing we were meant to think "oh, if only we had a vaccine right now".
But those were people who were traveling around. The infected didn't attack camps, they were fairly dormant. The game wanted us to think the vaccine was important, but it didn't have any good arguments.

The ending isn't supposed to be "the vaccine is a waste of time", it's "wow, the price for the vaccine was much higher than expected!"
Sure, that's not how it came across, but I'm certain that's what they wanted it to be.

>Fireflies fucked up tons of times before
>By the time the second game starts, there's a huge walled human settlement

Humanity would have done fine without a cure. Don't those spores die under sunlight? It's not like the infected can reproduce. As long as you send occasional hunting parties to kill infected around the area and make sure not to build settlements where spores could propagate, you're fine.

There's a reason armed human groups always end up as the antagonists of zombie apocalypse stories. It's doesn't take long to figure out an "infected" is a really a dumb animal that can't reproduce unless it infects someone else.

As much or more than our gatherer/hunter ancestors did?

>The Last of Us fans constantly attacking The Last of Us fans.

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Holy shit, FBI-kun, stop monitoring the cunny threads, we got a psychopath here.

OK user you go spend all your money on lottery tickets right now, if you spend every cent you have, you'll probably have around a 1 in a million chance of actually getting rich. No? Why not? If you succeed you'll get rich, don't be a fucking pussy, go do it

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>The firefly's themselves even admit that it's a 1 in a million chance of it even working in the first place
Cool headcanon dude

It's up for debate but I do think he lied mainly for selfish reasons. He wanted Ellie to be safe, but more than that he wanted her to be safe with him. He could have said "those doctors wanted to kill you and they weren't even sure they could make a vaccine, so I had to get you out of there", but that might mean she'd hate him.
It's far easier for him to lie to her, even inventing other kids that were to take her place.
It's telling that at the end, when she's confronting him, he was talking about all the stuff they were gonna do together. He wanted a daughter more than he trusted her to deal with the truth.

How so?