Suprised that they didn't do this sooner. How can an entire race be inherently evil?

>How can an entire race be inherently evil?
If their culture and genetics evolved in such a manner which goes against another race, they would likely consider each other evil. It's probably more racist to assume or expect non human races will be aligned with human culture and ethics

Barring certain species (not races) there never have been inherently evil races. Even orcs and goblins have had decent characters that commit good deeds.

because the very existential being of evil races like drow and gnolls are utterly perverted and manipulated by some of the most evil gods in the setting, and gods in the forgotten realms are very real entities with a direct influence in the world

Yeah, of course a race of brutal murderers that live in the underdark and worship a demon spider god and want to genocide all surface races, especially elves, aren't evil

I'm glad this is happening from a narrative standpoint. I don't like why it's being changed

Isn't the alignment system like a huge inspiration for countless other works?
How can there be good when you have no evil to compare it to?

I don't play DnD or know anything about the lore but are the drow really just chaotic evil for the sake of it or are there at least some reasons for their hate?

Well they are called races.
But yeah, it’s more like saying China is evil than saying every single Chinese person is evil, it just streamlines 99.9% of encounters with said group since it’s not like you’re seeing orc immigrants everywhere, you just interact with the orc society.

from a "narrative standpoint" there have always been good drow, orcs, etc. that break the mold of their races

Will racial attributes of any kind survive in vidya?

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>there have always been good drow, orcs, etc. that break the mold of their races
exactly, so having evil races in the first place was always shortsighted and limited

They do have a point, plus there's nothing stopping you from just saying all X are evil for your personal settings.

>The Goblins attack the town
>Setting a blazed, looting the storefronts of its riches
>you can not attack them, but can educated the towns folk of their misdeeds in created a climate of racism leading to the protest of the goblins
>roll of initiative, but the black player always goes first

they're chaotic evil because of their fucked up totalitarian nationalist matriachial societal norms and also their evil spider god wills it

>d&d
lmao

It also bears mentioning that evil =/= Evil, elemental planes are an extremely real, literal thing and there’s little to nothing you can do to change the rules of existence in the setting, they’re basically the physics of DnD.

So how are they going to justify mindflayers and abyssals and shit?
Just sounds like carte blanche for shitters to make as many Drizzt clones as they want.

>Orcposting is now reality

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yes, and now you have a choice to either make them evil, good or neutral according to what your campaign needs
this isn't difficult and they're actually right on this, determinism was always retarded and no matter how much you twist it into "but the gods decided because of setting" it doesn't make it good
it's literally a game of make believe, plenty of people were doing the "drows/goblins/orcs are actually good" trope already anyway

The concept of "good" races, and "evil" as a consequence, was inherently juvenile and retarded.

As though people didn't already make those choices with their narratives already? Drizzt has been around for decades and didn't need a rubberstamp of WoTC paying lipservice to social justice movements to do it.

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evil =/= Evil

Oh good, more special snowflake chaotic good drow to deal with.

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Just a friendly reminder your personality is almost entirely genetic and has been considered scientific fact for decades now.

>Manuals say that all Beholders are by nature amoral, narcissitic, schizoids with all sorts of fixations
>it's j-just socio-economic factors

so they are not actually evil is what you are saying? agency is sort a of a pre-requirement for morality

this pretty much, like saiyans, all were evil except for Goku and his offspring that were raised in human culture

>matriachial societal norms
So you mean feminism did this.

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>Beholders are by nature amoral, narcissitic, schizoids with all sorts of fixations
You mean the average Zig Forums poster?

sure thing, champ.

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Reminder that this is happening because people who work at WotC and even Paizo literally see real-world blacks whenever they look at orcs and drow. They instantly equate blacks with “evil” because they are racist beyond all belief, and fervently try to hide this with empty moral crusades.

>gay opinion using "nuance"
>steven universe-like profile picture
like clockwork

>Programmed to rape, kill, destroy everything in your path
>But you're not evil, you're just misunderstood

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Honestly it's not, this should have been the case from the beginning. Evil like good is based on perspective. Races can still be viewed as evil by everyone else but the idea that a race is inherently "evil" is retarded because it then assumes they themselves view their existence as evil.

Which even if that was the case they still wouldn't be objectively correct only subjectively correct. And that viewing of themselves as evil would stem from accepting the opinions of outsiders.

I wouldn’t know, I only post on 4channel

I don't really care. I think it's fun when good or morally grey characters can be whatever.

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>evil =/= Evil

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The saddest words of tongue or pen are Zig Forums was right again

I feel like 4channers are more like kobolds but hornier.

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Breath of the Wild did this too, and the game was shittier for it.

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No, they aren't "feminists." They're just radical supremacists based on the fact they are closest to their goddess.

But yeah, feminists.

I like how not even the fantasy genre is allowed to have unrealistic things now

no, having evil races is extremely helpful from the perspective of a dm creating encounters and narrative arcs in the world while dming. The only people going "drow are an evil race THUS ALL DROW ARE EVIL AND WE ARE FORCED TO NOT HAVE GOOD DROW" are utter retards who never played the game or read any of the lore/fiction in the first place. Actual end result of this is probably gonna be them changing shit like orcs having a tribal society or being, on the whole, dumb savages because racist lefties think that means they're standins for the blacks

All this has done is gone 'yeah you don't HAVE to make X race Y alignment, it is up to you, here are some ideas'. It's not like DM's haven't made their own shit for fucking years and won't stop DM's from doing it now.

>Evil like good is based on perspective
Yeah, except no it isn’t you stupid fucking nigger, Good and Evil, like all alignments are extremely fixed, palpable things that form the axis of existence in the setting(s).

>Borrin Goldbags

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>orcs are dumb, tribal, violent and even sometimes cannibalistic
>niggers are dumb, tribal, violent and even sometimes cannibalistic
i mean if the shoe fits

I don’t see a problem with this. A race can still be majority evil in the setting. Just means that explicitly exceptions are allowed.

not in this setting. D&D has(had) defined good and evil. actions taken by a minion who's too stupid to know otherwise are still evil, and thus his alignment is lawful evil, no matter how dumb he is

white liberals literally cannot stop equating horrible fantasy races with black people, more at 11

Not familiar with DnD. What constitutes a "Race" and what sort of distinctions can be made between that, monsters, animals or other categories of life?

well cthulhu and the other elder gods aren't evil either, they just cause you to horribly mutate and the dissolution of reality by their mere presence.
it's said cthulu actually likes crazy things; which is fine, anybody who sees them goes insane

I guess that means Hitler and the Nazis arent evil then since according to themselves they were good.

God I'm so glad every fantasy race that has unique characteristics is having those characteristics erased so the only differences between them is appearance

WHY CANT FICTION JUST BE FICTION. IM SO FUCKING SICK AND TIRED OF THE WORLD WORLD INJECTION. Bros I'm so fucking close to quitting Vidya and movies forever and going to books, at least if I want to read fucking non fiction I can choose to.

looking at you Drizzt

god I hate Drizzt

That's the thing, they are going to remove that. RIP Drows.

What happened to "Fuck you, I'm the DM so I say they're not evil"? I'm pretty sure every DM guide has that clause in the book somewhere ("The rules are guidelines, so change anything you don't like")

Drow society is pretty much straight-up radical feminism, yeah, with the male drow (male feminists) being creeps that simp for the women while secretly plotting to prey on them and everything

Thomas Jefferson statue destroyed

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Teddy Roosevelt statue removed...from a museum...and supported by NYC democrat mayor De Blasio

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Abraham Lincoln statue removed

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Abraham Lincoln Emancipation statue endangered, despite being paid for by freed slaves
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Nice country you got there. I sure hope you like destroying all those confederate statues and thus given the okay for the left to do this. Its amazing how you are undergoing your own cultural revolution. You just allowed these MAOISTS to run riot. Usually, you have to lose a war for this to happen, but your own politicians are okay with it!

if you look at drow or orcs and think of a real life races, when "races" in DnD are literally different species, then you're an absolute racist.

If being evil was racist or whatever, doesn't that imply minorities were evil?

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evil is a moral buzzword
Evil is what the planes run on

>How can an entire race be inherently evil?

It's fictional. Nothing has to be realistic. You can make one race entirely inherently evil because fuck you, it's fictional. Write whatever stories you want, make whatever race entire evil if you want. Haters gonna hate.

And the same faggots bitching about not all race are evil also call you a Nazi if you don't agree with them as if all Nazis are all inherently evil.

"race" not ideology

take your schizo meds my man

I hate this. I actually do think the way races are handled in d&d limits creativity sometimes if you feel the need to minmax certain builds, but drawing parallels between fantasy races and human beings is retarded. Orcs aren't people, they aren't (in most lores) rational, moral agents. They are just an evil race. Evil is something that can be defined in a fantasy universe.

>how can an entire race be inherently evil?
It's fantasy.

I guess Tiamat is just misjudged and black scale dragonborn aren't demonic worshippers

Literally zero issue with this.
There are always people in warmonger civilizations that don't agree with being warmongers.
Case in point: Heirarchy's army's finest general
This is old-hat. Everybody's been doing it. How is it news?

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D&D is pozzed play MYFAROG instead

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Alignments were always stupid and limiting. Races were "evil" because their cultures are centered around shit like war or subjugation. Any player that wasn't retarded already knew this.

This just sounds like a pandering announcement that will give faggots carte blance to make even more cringey donut steels.

Why is it always some cunt with a tumblr-esque cartoon avatar?

So I guess the emotionless Yuan-Ti seeing every other race as either inferior worthless beings, or foes they shouldn't directly mess with until they can beat them and their quest for total world domination is just misunderstood.
They struggle to survive in shadows while attempting to undermine everyone else, but they have good intentions and totally respect the rights of others.

DM can still decide to make a race not evil if he chooses to. This shit just stinks of some SJWs projecting their racist comparisons between fantasy races and real life human races.

Theres nothing wrong with having a fantasy race that is genetically predisposed to being "evil".

When will America unfuck itself and stop ruining stuff for everyone else?
I just want to vidya. Just make games with like 5% story and 95% gameplay, it's not hard.

>MAOISTS
words have meaning, you know

What exactly did he say that wasn't true?

I know how...

>Evil like good is based on perspective
I'm pretty sure some actions like trying to destroy all of reality and cold-blooded, prolonged torture for the sake of it are inherently bad, mate.

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Segregation has existed since the dan of humanity and has only ever changed it's methods. SO have parasites, prey and hunters.

The concept of inherent evils comes from two forces with radical differences that make their whole existence clash and hate eachother. Which is how goblins and humans are eternal enemies like flies and spiders

Is this concept too hard to understand?
Or maybe
The real enemy
Is the goblins we killed along the way

Hey that's not right, niggers aren't tribal since they murder so many of their own kind don't compare Orcs to those subhumans.

stop posting faggot twitter shit on Zig Forums

they just want their fantasy game to be more like real life because they see real life through a lens of fiction. they are literally incapable of seeing life through any other means

Lefties don't understand "races" in DnD are different species, not "races" of people.

A Drow is a very powerful humanoid monster with the drow subtype. It's not human, not even close, it has no human brain, regardless of how similar it is to a human. It's a legendary monster that has incredible abilities and common humans will never see one.

We literally can't, too many braindead morons. It's only going to get worse before it gets better. Hope you like leather.

I don't disagree with the idea so much as the culture around it. Like sure there'd be nothing wrong with being gay if gay people weren't so fucked.

What will happen to my favorite rape anime Goblin Slayerさん?

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