Video Games are toys, not art.
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Joshua Ramirez
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Zachary Thomas
OP here, I'm a tranny btw not sure if that matters
Ryan Hill
Why does she have the resting tired face?
Tyler Hernandez
That's factual and not controversial at all.
Luke Foster
At what point does something become art OP?
Liam Cruz
While a reductive statement, the heart of what you're saying is correct; video games inherently must sacrifice some level of thematic depth compared to other mediums in implementing an interactive aspect
Look at TLoU 2 and tell me it wouldn't have scored 5-6/10 at most on metacritic if it'd been a movie instead of a video game
Elijah Clark
here's my opinion: anyone who still cares about the "omg are video games art or not guys" argument should be decked in the face for wasting everybody's fucking time
Colton Baker
When it stops being a game.
Dominic Howard
Lmao maybe that was the wrong question. What do you consider to be the definition of art then?
Jaxson Martinez
I wish games would just go back to trying to be fun and appealing, not trying to be art.
I'm just so fucking tired of games trying to be "cinematic experiences" or even just "experiences". JUST BE A FUCKING GAME
Jonathan Wood
I rabu Piku
Jacob Wright
That Pieck from SnK?
Xavier Nelson
When it stops being a corporate product. When there is passion behind it's making with a clear vision. When it's not made by committee to try and figure out what audiences will best react to.
Hudson Davis
Maybe it's time to look at toys for their artistic merit.
Benjamin Johnson
But fun = bad and mature = good, according to this place
Wyatt Wilson
Toys are art.
Justin Lopez
>JUST BE A FUCKING GAME
Got 1000s to choose from on MOBILE
Hunter Young
Banana.
Nathaniel Jenkins
Fair answer. By that logic though, do you not consider many movies to fail at being art?
Samuel Mitchell
Hmm. So art is something that's created from love? But only when it becomes a 'product' it's no longer art?
Hunter Nelson
An integral part of vidya gams is the interactivity.
If your game fails to be engaging on the interactive part then you don't have 'art' you've just got a semi interactive movie, it may look and sound great and have a good story but ultimately you are ignoring a key element in the medium you are using
Ayden Johnson
If you can't lose it's not a game.
For it to be a game there should be some game over condition where you have to restart. Super Mario Bros on NES is a game, because you run out of lives, you lose the game, must restart. Super Mario Galaxy is a toy, because if you run out of lives you just lose checkpoint, go to start of level.
I consider "video game" to be a term of art, not necessarily actual games but merely a descriptor of a diverse group of software types, some games, some toys.
And since video games are either games or toys, they are not art, because games and toys are not art. Art has no purpose beyond its own existence, so even though a toy is an object like a work of art is an object, since it is intended to be played with, it is not art. If it wasn't intended to be played with, even if it is played with, it does not stop being a work of art. If you play with the Mona Lisa, it does not become a toy, etc.
Matthew Flores
this is 100% correct, games are fun, art if boring as fuck, so if games are to be art, they will be boring as fuck.
Parker Brown
Art has no purpose beyond its own existence. Toys have purpose as objects to be played with. Toys are not art.
If you design something that looks like a toy, but is not intended to be played with, it is not a toy. If it is intended as art, it is art.
Nicholas Gomez
That’s a terrible qualifier. By that definition, there’s plenty of indie passion projects made by one person for years that qualify as art.
Hell, I could make a mediocre game for free online and it could be called “art” by some, from that definition.
Kevin Young
Games are toys AND art.
Angel Hill
What do you define art as? If it's just pretty pictures and shit, then everything is art, and art is basically meaningless. However, if you consider art to be an expression of universal truth or as a reflection of the current epoch, then only some games are art.
Blake Wilson
Art does not exist on an objective level to be qualified. It is a personal measurement. Even saying "this is art" sounds buffoonish.
Ayden Peterson
>expression of universal truth
No such thing, except maybe existence itself. Everyone has their own idea of what “truth” is, and all of it is restricted by our own limited senses and experiences.
Jack Foster
art does not exist whatsoever
there is only things i like and things i don't like
Sebastian Ross
"Kino" is more comprehensive term anyway.
Aiden Thomas
You're literally describing a class of games called non-games/software toys:
en.wikipedia.org
These are games that have no win states a la SimCity.
So yes they are tools for recreation but that doesn't mean they are childish
Jackson Moore
Resting tired face girls are top tier. I don't know if there is an actual term for it but it is good.
Cause I am tired too.
Jonathan Lopez
Y'know what, if I'm having fun I don't give a hoot as to what they should be classified as
Justin Perry
The question of whether something is art or not is not a question of quality. There is good art and bad art. Art is whatever the artist makes when they honestly intend to make art.
Art is a fixed work, unchanging. People may experience it differently if they themselves are different, but the book/film/painting/etc. is unchanged.
Games are a different experience each time. They may be slower, faster, less intense, more intense. If a listener of music was in control of the speed and intensity of the music they're listening to, and the composer of the music intended this to be so, the music would not be art. It would not be the vision of the artist, but the caprice of the audience, albeit subject to the limits the creator set.
If a video game developer thinks they intend their video game to be art, they would not even then create it, because they are constrained by the definition of a video game, something which is interactive, subject to the whims of the audience. This is not so for works of art. Ergo, games are not art.
Thomas Collins
Yes, sometimes the truth is controversial.