In retrospect this really wasnt as "unspeakably bad" as people made it out to be

In retrospect this really wasnt as "unspeakably bad" as people made it out to be

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i like it but i've never played the first game.

it wasn't bad it was disappointing
the open world level shtick was gone
so was a lot of the multiple ways to tackle objectives

Oh shit a IW thread good timing. I recently replayed DE because of the 20th anniversary and the remixed soundtrack release, and decided to give IW a go just cause. I can see why it get's all the hate.

To start with the physics system is awful. Alex just slides around everywhere and all objects just jitter around whenever you touch them. The combat is somehow even clunkier than DE, along with no leaning. They streamlined the augs system and rpg mechanics, along with things like access codes being automatically done for you and multitools/picks being rolled into one. No xp system means side missions/exploration are not terribly beneficial. The stealth mechanics are non existent, every enemy will detect you anywhere no matter what. Maybe you have to use the quiet walking aug or something but it feels impossible to sneak. The HUD is atrocious and they for some reason made your inventory even smaller than in DE.

Each area also feels vastly smaller than DE due to so many LOADING screens. I haven't finished it yet but I just left Antarctica to get Paul. It's playable, but vastly inferior to DE in almost every way.

You don't expect anyone to read that, right?
I mean, come on dude.

its not even 15 sentences
Zig Forums has fried your brain

I read it, are you so fucking braindead you can't read a paragraph without flashing lights and bright colors distracting you?

it isn't unspeakably bad, just very mediocre even if you don't look at is as sequel to deus ex

I read it, you illiterate nigger.

Fucking zoomers.

I wouldn't know how many sentences there are because I didn't read it.
Not just me, everyone, and I mean everyone who enters this thread, will as a rule, not read that.
And you know why?
Because its repulsive.
It has that same nauseating feel that dentist waiting rooms, supermarket sock departments, and dilapidated brutalist architecture have in common, as it immediately conveys a sense of boring, paper pusher, over the top, hyper symmetrical order.

Just look at how you've neatly partitioned it into three seperate units, like the analy retentive nut people around you have noted you are but whose simple perceptions you shrug off as projections of their own vanity, innocent slander.

Still haven't read it.

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Lies, none of you read it.

>Update:
I've started reading it but its boring.

based skepticfag

He even split it up a bit. It was fairly interesting as well. If it was a block of text with a boring first couple sentences I think you would have a point.

its an average game to a sequel of one of the greatest games ever made

The writing jumped off a cliff and everything else was midly to vastly worse. The reputation is deserved.

Wow, thanks for interrupting my attempt at reading you fucking nigger.

Lets be honest, in order for Deus Ex to be a great game, it needs to be a good game first. The original has shit game play.

based shortattentionspanfag

Original has serviceable to great gameplay depending on how far along you are. IW has much worse gameplay.

Stop defending bad writers you pseudo Druckmanist.

>t. filtered by liberty island

>great gameplay
No, I don't think so. Combat is never good, stealth is a trivial joke, level design is sharp 90 degree turns and blocky ugliness.

do you have a single fact to back that up?

>I haven't finished it yet but I just left Antarctica to get Paul.
The Antarctica section is so fucking kino. Hit me with the feels.

>you

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Play the game memer.

i have. i beat the game for the first time a month ago

Why is the chamber boy looking so ugly in this cover?

I beat it 15 years ago, it's not good. What took you?

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>it's not good
Not the user, but it's very fun to say at least. Why u so bitter?

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are you gonna say why it's bad or nah?

Not that user but it's pretty boring and lackluster, why u so defensive?

I want to FUCKING play this DEUS EX videogame but I can't FUCKING get it to RUN

>boring and lackluster,
Nah. >why u so defensive?
I'm not tho.

>the open world level shtick was gone
Not really, you can pick a fight with some thug types then run to the police for help and they'll stomp them for you, thats classic 0451 mechanics

What's the problem, user?

>Nah.
Yep, it's the same meme video from nearly 10 years ago. Even has my comment on it from 7 years ago. Amazing. Deus Ex is mediocre.

It had some good things I liked. The aug to control robots was fun. I didn't care much about the Order and WTO but I liked the Omar stuff. The clubs had pretty good music too and I still enjoyed the atmosphere for the most part.

But it did really mess a lot of things up, the tiny levels were a drag and without the Visible Upgrade patch to cut down on loading time I don't think I'd feel so fondly about it. The shooting was tolerable but the universal ammo didn't really make sense, and the melee/stealth felt awful. Still really inferior to the original but I don't think it's as bad as people say either.

Why would the gameplay have changed in 10 years?

Keep saying that, i'll make it true.
Also, name three four (4) games that have a better blend than DX.

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to. While I enjoy they made JC a biotech supergod, using the "oh man member THESE locations??" bit to turn on his power plant was rather silly. Conversing with him was great though, it was a refreshing amount of interesting writing compared to the rest of the game. Very similar to conversing with Morpheus in DE, which is one of my favorite dialogue exchanges. I always pick merging with Helios in my DE playthroughs so I'm glad it's cannon.

What if it was never good, even 10, 20 years ago?

youre not saying what its lacking; ur just saying its bad

You don't expect anyone to read that, right?
I mean, come on dude.

It's awful. It's not even "a good game but not a good Deus Ex game", since it still tried to be Deus Ex but dumbed the fuck down for lobotomy patients.

>silly
It's kinda gay, I agree, but I enjoy writing, reading, subtext, books, that shit, and the implications of the Antarctica level was kino to me. Also, the fact the he defends nano aug communism hivemind is just top notch insanity, it's great.

looks like the original 2003 cover

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I stated its problems, only got memes in response. Deus Ex fans are not intelligent.

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The fact that JC is harboring the greys is the cherry on top.

Leo or whoever he was, joining the Omar, in retrospect looks odd but somehow feels very right. Maybe because he had a lot of personality and the Omar didn't, but he was also about the pursuit of perfection (or at least being the best) and of course the Omar would represent that. But him joining them felt like he was going to leave humanity behind, in the dust, and take off into the future

Yeah, but Alex (both genders) is a cutie in the game. Even JC is hot in the cover, why trash him?

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It's more of a Deus Ex game than Eidos Montreal's gay shit will ever be

ayy lmao

Mankind Divided is worth playing too, since we're talking about ostensibly shit DX games. I got mad at myself for doing part of a side mission, noticing some things, and rolling my eyes that the developers made such a bad oversight, reading spoilers to just skip past it, and finding out it was intentional and I ruined a surprise for myself

Kill yourself.

how so?

Shill detected.

>Eidos Montreal
At least they have a vision and believed in it, for Human Revolution at least. MD seems like they got their feelings hurt and tried to pull back

So... Robocop gun was going to be in originally?

>that the developers made such a bad oversight, reading spoilers to just skip past it, and finding out it was intentional and I ruined a surprise for myself
What are you talking about exactly?

MD makes me so fucking mad
the main story is such an excellent first act to a game
their vision was way too big, got forced to cut it up, and now its just dead and the IP needs to be reboot AGAIN jesus christ

>so was a lot of the multiple ways to tackle objectives
I distinctly remember a major criticism back when it released being them going overboard with the multiple approach thing, making every problem you come across a complete non-challenge.