How does Eggman manage to be consistently cool while Bowser is the lamest videogame villain of all time?

How does Eggman manage to be consistently cool while Bowser is the lamest videogame villain of all time?

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They allow Eggman to actually damage and change things in the world, even if eventually he gets BTFO by Sonic. They'll also allow him to be truly evil (in the comics, at least).

Bowser pretty much has to abide by Miyamoto's autism.

Bowser works so much better as a playable anti-hero character than a villain. It was so much fun to play as him in inside story and punch the shit out of things, breathe fire, boss your minions around, and call people chumps.

Haven't played that, but it does sound much better than his usual schtick.

Bowser is based in RPGs though

He really is though. As much as I'm tired of seeing him as the final boss, I have to admit he was pretty badass in Dream Team and Paper Jam.

His boss fight in Paper Jam especially is hard as fuck

Mostly because bowser never fucking does anything except goofy shit. The dude is a turtle-dragon, but he does jack-squat.

Eggman has ambition- the trait that really makes a good villain. All the villains that people say "they like more than the heroes" are individuals with exploding ambition, compared to boring-ass stagnant heroes. At least they want to change the world- Heroes just let it fester in its corruption.

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Bowser is literally a cuck in most RPG games

>Paper Jam

What the fuck was up with the difficulty in that game? It is so much harder than every other game in the series it's insane. If it didn't shower you in healing items I might have actually had a tough time beating it

Bowser isn't really a traditional villain, in pretty much every RPG he's in Nintendo gives him the personality of a childish, goofy anti-hero.
He's never really portrayed as a fully evil character, he's just a sad dragon man that can't get laid. He just lets his lust and ego get the better of him and does naughty shit.
Eggman, however, is just an enjoyably rotten man with a thirst for world dominationing. Both are fun in their own right, but yeah, Eggman's definitely the cooler villain.

There are no characters in Mario, just designs.

Have you played the RPGs?

Also, Luigi is unironically the most fleshed out Mario character. He has a clearly defined personality.

I just play the 3d and 2d platforms, kart and smash. Also some side shit like that Ubisoft XCOM. I played the first game but that was over a decade ago.

I wouldn't call Luigi's Mansion characterization either.

>Bowser
>Lame
>Eggman
>Isn't
Did you just forget that period of time where Eggman was getting cucked by the monster of the week. I like the doc, but he honestly had it worse than Bowser at one point in time.
Also M&L Bowser was getting more evil towards the end.

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>He's missing out
The RPGs actually give the characters characterization, or can bring attention to characteristics implied in other games.
Luigi, Bowser, Peach, Bowser Jr., the Koopa Troop in general, the RPGs do a good job of fleshing out the characters, in addition to it's usual brand of OCs (expect for the later Paper Mario games, the writing in general is flatter in those).

You really should try out the RPG games! Even if you aren't a fan of RPGs, there's a whole lot to love about those games and the battles are a whole lot more involved than your standard JRPG fare.

Also, how is Luigi's Mansion not characterization? Luigi's personality is very consistent and he's portrayed the same way in every game. He's cowardly but he has a good heart. He wants to do the right thing and save the day, but he's a bit of klutz and he messes things up a lot of the time. He also resents being in Mario's shadow, which is a personality trait I wish they'd explore more in the main games, instead of just relegating it to the rpgs.

I mean fuck, in the RPGs it's implied that Luigi actually has a lot of darkness in his heart, and that's why Dimentio is able to fuse with him in Super Paper Mario

I love how the RPGs portray Peach as jaded and bitter towards being kidnapped all the time. Her interactions with Paper Peach were really good in Paper Jam

Peach in general tends to be fine when the writers get to play around with her beyond her just being held hostage off-screen for 90 percent of the game. Even 3D Land did it to an extent.
But I think we all know what the best version of Peach is.

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Bowser's problem is he has nothing going for him. In the games he's just given Mary Sue like powers to kidnap peach while Mario holds the idiot ball. he commands countless minions but only the rpgs show why he can do half the shit he does. When the writers can;t come up with a good reason for Bowse to exist it just comes across as bad writing.

Eggman's kind of weird like that. Sure he's every bit as deadly as he is a doofus but at the same time you get the impression he doesn't just pull armies out of his ass. It's readily apparent in SA2 where he's clearly the underdog compared to the GUN troops.

At least he was pretty chill during the climax of Odyssey. He even let Mario wallow with him in the pity corner.

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No, he was still really lame and way too easy. Honestly that whole game is stupidly easy and I think that's what prevents it from being a masterpiece

Bowser is a dad now, he can no longer afford to do cool stuff and blow up the moon

That’s why the cool dads in video games just abandon their children instead of actually spending time parenting

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Eggman is probably the only thing Sonic has over Mario. Eggman is too good for that shit series.

>Becomes a dad
>Immediately tries to conquer the galaxy afterwards.
No excuses.
>but at the same time you get the impression he doesn't just pull armies out of his ass.
Explain shit like all of those robots or the Death Egg. Sonic Unleashed even opens with Eggman having a space fleet.
There are a few cases like SA2 where Eggman's implied to be struggling, but for the most part, he has the same "offscreen villain dark matter" issue.

He's even better in the comics. They should just let Ian Flynn write an official Sonic game already

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where do i read sonic and megaman comics now, i thought that one site died

This happens to you, what do?

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Become a celebrity

blame it on the tap water

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