I ended up reading twitches terms of service as well as their entire community guidelines agreement in light of this Dr. Distrepect situation. What I found was pretty shocking.
Every legal document twitch provides has a requirement to follow the community guidelines. That sounds agreeable but when you actually read the community guidelines, the broad wording gives them the power to essentially ban, anyone, for any reason for any amount of time, including indefinitely.
"to protect the integrity of our community, as the provider of the service, we at twitch reserve the right to suspend any account at any time for any conduct that we determine to be inappropriate or harmful."
The use of these subjective and board wording can allow them ultimate power in the court of law. Say you sign a $20million exclusivity deal, in that deal you are required to do three things.
1. Exclusively stream on twitch. 2. Stream 3 times a week. 3. Follow community guidelines.
If twitch decides they don't want to pay you, they can look through your thousands of hours of content to look for anything that they subjectively find inappropriate, ban you from the platform permanently, or just for three weeks, thus forcing you to break your contract two different ways.
I tried to post this to r/twitch and it was instantly removed because they work under the same rules as twitch, we can delete anything we want for any reason and any time.
Wait, isn’t that the theory No-chin and the Gnome talked about?
Angel James
They came for the raciest, I paid no mind. They came for the sexists, I paid no mind. They came for the rapists, I paid no mind. Then they came for me.
Don't give a fuck about Doc, this is a dangerous president to set. If you are looking for a career in streaming, you basically are signing away all of your power by agreeing to abide by community guidelines.
>the broad wording gives them the power to essentially ban, anyone, for any reason for any amount of time, including indefinitely.
every single online platform has this rule hidden in the fine print. absolutely every single one.
Alexander Hill
a government that is a type of one-party dictatorship. They work for a totalitarian one-party state. This aim is to prepare the nation for armed conflict, and to respond to economic difficulties. Fascism puts nation and often race above the individual.
Christian Brown
Fuck off Sargon
Lucas Mitchell
>This is fucking fascist.
It's been like this on Twitch before they were called Twitch.
The erosion of principles, where is the man for all seasons now? We desperately need more. They are giving reasons to not trust anyone and when trust disappears, all links do too.
Gabriel Perez
>If you are looking for a career in streaming >career >streaming
Twitch is mostly a scam anyways. The vast majority of it isn't even real. There is a reason you only ever hear sob stories about how nobody ever "makes" it. It suffers from the same fake bullshit twitter does as well. It's mostly bots and frauds with an agenda.
Isaac Clark
Well duh. They only gave them an exclusivity contract because they were afraid Mixer will take him. Once mixer went under, he became useless
Jaxson Morales
>sign contract >contract says you gotta obey that other contract >hidden in there it says they have an immunity field which means they don't have to themselves obey the contract Wew lads, want a marriage with that contract? Everyone wants to be women nowadays.
Aiden Butler
yeah. i was just implying it has long since been the standard, not that it's the standard so you must accept it. it's one of the biggest reasons why technological centralization is a bad thing. imagine getting your google account banned and losing access to years worth of archived emails and documents on gmail because you once called someone a retard in a youtube comment
Isaiah Gonzalez
>hidden It says what it says, right there in plain fucking English. If someone doesn't read the stupid shit they're signing that's their own fault.
Jason Cook
It's not MOSTLY scam. But theres ALOT of viewbotting, yes. AANd you're right about average joe not being able to make it. Alot of people fall for it and fail. But IMO it was realistic to get big, or at least make decent money BEFORE they introduced IRL/just chatting. After that point the platform attracted more normies, the community because more toxic and it attracted douchebag streamers.
Nolan Lee
Lol the desperate boy sounds you make
Nathan Reyes
You are probably right. Twitch only signed Dr Disrespect to such a lucrative deal because the less controversial streamers (ninja and shroud) decided to go to twitch. Twitch probably sees the failure of Mixer as a boon, not only will they get back Ninja anand Shroud for a fraction of what they would have has to pay, they now have a bevy of Mixer streamers who just spent 2 years in boot camp essentially. They already hated the Doc, now they have no reason to keep him around as all these new streamers+ ninjaxshroud will more than offset the viewer loss of firing the Doc.
Trust me, its going to be something incredibly lame like "he was bullying his twitch chat and that violates tos". Otherwise his sponsors would have jumped ship as fast as twitch did. They know its not serious enough to end his marketability.
Adam Anderson
Who in the FUCK cares Talk about video games already you spergs
Luke Jenkins
He wasn't the only one to get the exclusivity contract with Twitch though
Brandon Fisher
I dont think its that far, but in general the algorithm favors the higher view stream. Want to see real viewbots? Go to mixer, every stream is a ad for a twitch stream, hundreds of "viewers" watching dead streams.
Leo Jackson
The entire monetization of the internet is a scam.
Austin Perry
Its video games. You are going to making this post for the rest of your life, and its going to be more and more wrong as time passes.
Ryder Taylor
This is real life faggot. Not your cum stained wifu. Go to another thread and talk about traps in video games.
Jason King
love when niggers talk shit, get btfo then never respond. good job bro
>The use of these subjective and board wording can allow them ultimate power in the court of law. WRONG.
Jackson Cook
True that. Wish I was an adult in the early 2000s, scamming advertisers was so easy back then, pure click rate, no ip tracking, just free money.
Wyatt Price
what a retarded post. why won't he just take a deal somewhere else?
isn't the whole point of the 20M deal to keep him on twitch?
Angel Adams
Have you ever read the terms / EULA on online games? Since online games exist there is a line somewhere where they state that even if you paid and/or have an ongoing subscription they can ban you, cancel the game at any point without giving you or others money back. Twitch is the same, but people butthurt because they lose not just time, but real life currency :D
Parker Richardson
just make your own streaming platform :)
Matthew James
You too! Also the guy that made up that great they came for the groups post. That was fucking amazing!
Benjamin Rivera
>"to protect the integrity of our community, as the provider of the service, we at twitch reserve the right to suspend any account at any time for any conduct that we determine to be inappropriate or harmful."
How is he wrong? Seems pretty airtight to me. Twitch probably has a team dedicated to keeping files of large streamers bad moments.
Jonathan Phillips
gb2/b/
Luis Rivera
>workplaces have behavioral standards >most employment is at-will and they don't have to give any reason to fire you welcome to the real world incel, if you don't want to work under the company's rules then you have the same options as you always did: start your own business/platform or work for someone who is like minded
there is nothing new here regarding contracts and careers
Ethan Flores
>That sounds agreeable but when you actually read the community guidelines, the broad wording gives them the power to essentially ban, anyone, for any reason for any amount of time, including indefinitely.
Welcome to every single community guidelines, privacy statement, ToS, EULA, etc. ever written.
Xavier Thompson
No it isn't. Twitch isn't a government. Legislation exists for unfair contract terms in most countries but this wouldn't come close. It's a fairly straightforward contact. Yes, it is very pro-twitch however that reflects the respective negotiating positions of the parties. That's just how it works.
There is perhaps an argument to be made that the likes of google/amazon/facebook have more actual power than most nation states do at this point, but it's not for reasons like this.
John Roberts
>baby's first contract Always read your contracts, especially if it has to do with making money in any way shape or form. Every TOS or "Community Guidelines" as they prefer to call them now, will always allow the company to cancel your service and accounts for any reason at any time.
Luke Harris
neither twitch nor e-"celebs" are video game related
Jayden Davis
Every website is a virtual country. Every country has its own government.
Leo Hall
But he was twitchs most hated. Doc has brought them bad press recently, and he talks bad about twitch all the time. All they really cared about was that he didnt go to Mixer, then they could have had real momentum. Twitch had a broad range of stars playing a broad range of games, once Ninja and Shroud both started raining Valorant it killed their views, and ultimately the platform.
Basically, Twitch only signed that deal to keep Doc off of Mixer. Nothing else mattered at that point.
Christopher Davis
Most countries have laws against firing for minor reasons. The USA is an ourlier in that respect. Most places it will require redundancy or gross misconduct, both of which are a high test if litigation is raised which it often is, to justify it.
Parker Williams
i'm the cook
Anthony Carter
There might be, if he is being punished retroactively for things he did before the contract was signed. There's also the fact that Twitch knows who Doc is, they know his gimmick very well and despite this still signed him knowing he would violate the tos at some point. That is an aeguable case in court.
Dominic Richardson
Legally and I think in most people's views that isn't true. It isn't much different to the contract you enter into when buying physical goods from a supplier in a commercial transaction. The only place you won't get that sort of thing is in very low value day to day transactions which rely on verbal contract (ie buying a drink at a convenience store)
Tyler Hernandez
New game just debouted last noght on Twitch called Hyper Space. Havent seen a thread here. Top viewed stream category. Tell me again how twitch isnt video games.
