*ruins RPGs until the heat death of the universe*

I tried playing some old videogames that didnt have quest markers or objective markers

it was frustrating as hell when you got to a part that didn't explain what you do/where you go and you're forced to either just aimlessly wander about or alt tab and google it.

for me quest markers don't just tell me where to go, they also tell me where NOT to go if I want t be thorough and explore all side areas first before proceeding. Its fucking annoying when you stumble on a point of no return by accident and there's no checkpoint to fall back on to keep exploring.

>spends 20 minutes talking to every NPC on the road

Kino

yes, quest markers are a crutch for poor video game designers

i think the best argument against morrowinds direction system, even though i prefer it, is that you can't rely on bethesda to have every single set of written directions be accurate

>hey bug go talk to the fruit merchant down the road to the east
>"UGH I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO TALK TO EVERY SINGLE NPC. IT'S NOT LIKE I CAN LOOK FOR THINGS LIKE A STALL WITH FRUIT OR A SIGN WITH FRUIT OR SOMEONE SHOUTING SOMETHING LIKE 'FRESH, AFFORDABLE FRUIT RIGHT OVER HERE!'"
Imagine being so completely, utterly, gobsmackingly retarded.

I think you mean
>head down the road to the east and see a guy selling fruit

lol imagine thinking that's what people did instead of going online or checking the strategy guide.

Obviously that's what people did otherwise it wouldn't be an example, dipshit.

Love this meme. Xenoblade worlds are easily some of the most fun to explore and they have quest markers

No, faggots idolizing the past think that's what people did. Nobody scrounged around Morrowind trying to follow the vague directions for more than 10 minutes before they just looked it up. Retards glorifying the past isn't a new thing. Besides that, how fucking retarded do you have to be to let a quest marker stop exploration? If you like to explore a world then explore the world. Having a little marker that says where the King of Bumfuck is so you can talk to him shouldn't stop that unless you're literally retarded.

Oh no, people can look up strategy guides online and hamper their enjoyment of the game. Do you think this is exclusively an RPG phenomena? If you used a guide to play morrowind you cheapened the experience for yourself. My fondest memories of the game stem from crazy random shit I'd happen upon while trying to find my objectives. Fast travel and quest icons severely hampered the series. I strongly question whether anyone has played these games on release pre-oblivion if they say otherwise.

anyone who spent more than 10 minutes trying to find a quest location in Morrowind is a water-head. The directions were great.

Skyrim is meant for the widest audience. The amount of RPG veterans complaining about quest markers are easily drowned out by the people that find them useful. Todd has always aimed for the wider audience

Agreed. Elder Scrolls has been increasingly casualized with each entry. Daggerfall is immensely more hardcore than Skyrim.

Why did games get so expensive to make bros? Companies are shedding off features from previous games left and right

How does any of that ruin your exploration? Why are you incapable to wandering around the world on you own without a quest telling you to go wonder around? And why does an optional system of moving about the world faster ruin your enjoyment? Don't use it.

The cost of video games has lagged well behind inflation. Now they need to throw in all this DLC bullshit to try to recoup costs.

i remember the alexa skyrim adventure thing and hearing the words "you follow your quest marker" and figured out why games are so fucking shit now

Zoomers would rather look at the graphics for 10 hours than actually fun features
Agreed. Julian Leffay's Elder Scrolls III will unfortunately never see the light of day

I don't mind handholding UI's, as long as I can turn them off.
Some people like the game to be more challenging/thinkwork required.
Others just want to play a choose-your-adventure style interactive movie
Both are fine.

Because the elder scrolls were subsequently designed with the expectation you were fast travelling to locations. World design did not have lots of interesting little locations and encounters designed for you to stumble upon. Play skyrim and morrowind back to back and the difference is very stark

You can just toggle these off, you know. You still have a journal in the quest menu, and it gives you hints as to what you’re supposed to do so you could hypothetically do Skyrim’s quests without the markers.
I say hypothetically because I never play Skyrim’s quests because they’re all ass irrespective of whether they hold your hand or not.

Morrowind is the only elder scrolls game where you can't fast travel I think. I remember there being fast travel in Daggerfall

The funniest part about Todd is that the first Elder Scrolls game he was in charge of was barely a RPG. It was more of an action adventure game

I'm glad there's at least one person here with some fucking sense. I enjoy exploring big open worlds in games too, but vague, unhelpful descriptions of where to go during moments where I just want the main story to move forward is more frustrating than anything.

Holy crackers you're retarded.