(I know WaPo is shit)

>even Mainstream MEEDEEYAH is shitting in them


Will we ever get a return to form bros?

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fuck no, we've gotten three games with the stickerstar art and story style and a total of four with completely different and fucked gameplay. this series is fucking dead, the best we can hope for is they stop making them altogether so it can rest in peace.

I legitimately expected that this game would be shilled by the MAINSTREAM METEOR and anyone saying it is bad would be called an entitled manbaby or some shit. This is surprising. It says a lot when even the typical "gamers bad and entitled!" crowd think a game sucks too.

These games are catered to Japanese tastes, Western outcry won't matter ever

These games sell like 100k in Japan.

It's pretty obvious they have no interest in advancing the Mario franchise in general beyond the same stable of characters they've been using forever. People act like TTYD or SPM are to blame, but the truth is this shit's been happening more and more at all levels of the franchise. This is why Pink Gold Peach exists. Baby Rosalina. Why Link and Isabelle got to be in MK8 before dozens of other Mario characters. They see how people gush over Geno, Bow, Bobbery, and all of those other characters. They know continuing to build on the Mario universe even more is a fool's errand. They're already inundated with requests to dredge up one-off characters from RPGs from the 90s. Adding even more characters to the pile is an untennable solution to the problem, so instead they want Paper Mario to make you attached to the generic templates the characters were imprinted on instead of the characters themselves. They don't want you to like Goombario or Kooper. They want you to like Goombas and Koopas. That's all it's ever been about.

>Will we ever get a return to form bros?
So long as Miyamoto still breathes and Tanabe still sucks his cock, no.
It won't be until those two are out of the picture that Paper Mario can POSSIBLY escape mandates and go places again, but even that's a big if since there's no doubt Miyamoto has a successor in mind to uphold Mario's integrity.

WaPo is reporting on this LOL

Democracy dies in darkness

just keep making your point Zig Forums, like we didnt have this thread 41814 times already
what a fucking echo chamber

is it ACTUALLY more popular in nipland or is it another FE case where japan doesn't fucking care about this series either

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>implying the rest of the internet isn't a giant echo chamber too

It would be nice if Nintendo just let the series go full time puzzle adventure and then started another RPG series to cover that niche.

We will never truly get a return to form.
Nintendo is too soft and never takes actual risks now.
If they ever did remake TTYD you bet your ass they would PC that the fuck up and at the very least remove the Noose and Foot smelling thing.

Not all topics need to be politicized. A company over sanitizing their brand is something that even most people today in our insane world can mutually agree is a problem. It's like the matter with the Mickey Mouse brand. It wasn't really controversial to say that Mickey Mouse became bland and sterile before that new cartoon breathed life into it again.

>They don't want you to like Goombario or Kooper. They want you to like Goombas and Koopas. That's all it's ever been about.
Why the fuck would I ever like a generic enemy that I kill thousands of in a game?

If people keep getting into the same discussions and arguments they're going to keep making the same points over and over.

Reminder that bug fables flopped

Exactly! You should be liking Toads, instead, even though Miyamoto actually hates them but also can't be assed to disrupt Mario's integrity by introducing a new staple "friendly" species on the same level of sapience to co-exist with them so it's not ALL Toads.

Later.

dude japan loves RPGs more than the west does, which is probably the reason they don't want to make an RPG

K. I still really enjoyed it.

It's super fucking cringy in TOK when they try to give Toads a personality to hide the fact that they can't make them look different. Why is it okay for a Toad to have a British accent or make jokes about his wife leaving him but not for him to have hair or wear a hat?

According to what metric? Indie games are not made on the same budget as major commercial releases. Their metrics for success are not the same.

It's perfectly fine for them to wear hats or have different clothes, but anything more than that is "too far" according to mandates.

I love Origami king and think it's legit 8.5/10. Puzzle battles are fun and pretty challenging, im up to the water elemental temple and about half of them to this point I haven't been able to 'solve' . Very few paper jokes or puns and the lines are more reminiscent of the old pm's. Characters have fun personalities, especially toads lol. That coffee house scene in the water temple was kino af too. I like that the world is more open and not just corridor after corridor of enemies with nothing else to explore which is what SS and CS basically were. the museum feature was really well implemented. The boss battles are really fun and actually pretty hard. I really enjoy it so far, and this is coming from someone who loved 64 and TTYD. It's different but the risks they took really work out in this game. I truly feel combat ks rewarding and fun in and of itself. Can't please everyone but I'm having a lot of fun so far.

It's not popular in Japan. All of the Japanese fans on Twitter basically became fans as a result of the Western fandom making the game more well-known. As it stands, PM games are basically only made for Tanabe and no one else.

Because it's not fucking Paper Mario. Nothing other than Paper Mario can ever be Paper Mario. It can have everything except the Paper Mario aesthetic but as long as it doesn't have that aesthetic then it's not Paper Mario.

This says alot about Paper mario fans

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This reads like a script.

So what are the indie games filling that void?

Seeing as how Paper Mario is more flat and stale than mainline Mario, they're evidently made as supplemental medication for Miyamoto for when he's having a hissy fit over Mario getting TOO creative, too.

>Very few paper jokes or puns
Yeah, that's definitely one plus. CS was non-fucking-stop with both that and in general trying to make every single line a joke, it was insanity. And yeah, battles are better, but it sucks that we'll never see an improvement on it because Tanabe never does the same thing twice.

>philharmonic and symphonic and operatic music is a European art form with European history created by Western Europeans
>why don't black people like it and want to be in it?

Really makes you think

ffs what now. all these people is make up shit to bitch about.

Bug Fables, Born of Bread, Scrap Story, Seahorse Saga

That shitty bug game that nobody played

it wouldn't even be a risk, if anything following color splash was a risk

Just made wrote it off the top of my head. Sorry you're so conditioned to not believe someone can legitimately enjoy something that isn't based on a 20 year old formula. 'Old' paper Mario fans are more script like than anyone

>no reason to battle
>just avoid enemies
>no rpg mechanics even though there are still turn based battles
>if you like it you're just a shill on script!

It's really sad you can't enjoy new things and are stuck in the past.

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