why doesn't lucifer just kill god or the other way around?
Why doesn't lucifer just kill god or the other way around?
God doesn't want to kill his other favorite son and Lucifer isn't strong enough to beat God & his armies.
Most SMT lore: He isn't strong enough. At the end of SMT III he sets off to challenge YHVH with Demi-Fiend at the end of TDE.
SMT IVA lore: Lucifer is one half of Satan, the judge of God. Lucifer exists to be chaotic so people wish for God and law.
Wait, THIS is in Persona 5? I thought you guys said that game is for little kids
>I thought you guys said that game is for little kids
We did?
>SMT IVA
Wasn't that a fake Lucifer though, real Lucifer that we see in 3 and other games is MIA in 4/4A and it looks like he's back in 5
what's the other half of satan? why did god create satan?
would his angels ever attempt to take on hell without god?
Yeah every post about it is complaining that the game is just “adults bad”
>what's the other half of satan?
Merkebah, the chariot of God (and in this game, a fusion of the archangels Gabriel, Raphael, Uriel, and Michael). In SMT IV, Merk and Lucifer more or less exist to engage in an eternal false flag battle.
Satan exists to perpetuate the battle between Law and Chaos, since the strife, struggle, and uncertainty of that is what makes people turn to YHVH. He also exists to judge and challenge those who would attempt to usurp YHVH. In SMT IVA, Satan turns against YHVH, more or less because he eventually recognizes him as a false god/demiurge, to the contrast of the Axiom/Great Will, which is the Monad/Deistic creator, more or less.
>what's the other half of satan?
Merkabah, who is the Law rep in 4 and part of 4A
>why did god create satan?
Satan in SMT is Lucifer before he fell so hes an angel and god's right hand man most of the time.
>Wait, THIS is in Persona 5?
Well yes it is, you can tell
>I thought you guys said that game is for little kids.
The game starts with a teacher fucking with his students. Why would anyone ever call it a game for kids?
>what's the other half of satan? why did God create satan?
In SMT IVA lore, It's Merkabah. As for why he made Satan, to judge people & other things.
>would his angels ever attempt to take on hell without god?
Yes, given there are times in the series where God isn't there and the angels are still doing his will.
i would've paid more attention in sunday school if we talked about this rad shit instead
sorry but they don't teach fanfiction of god's fanfiction
It's not. It's still basically SMT, just for people who peaked in high school.
It is
this is also why YHVH is now Dead come SMT 5.
even though its a different Earth and a different Apocalypse, YHVH wasn't the god of just ONE earth and has reset multiple universes multiple times, but now, his defeat in SMT4 Apocalypse was complete and absolute, he's no longer around for this other, different universe.
Lucifer is not Multi-universal like YHVH was, as in there are multiple Lucifers that are seperate beings.
the only Multi-versal beings are STEPHEN, the Axiom, YHVH, Akira/Nanashi and that's it.
>Why would anyone ever call it a game for kids?
Because the writing is really YA-tier, which is a polite term for "teenagers. And in Zig Forums fashion, teenager = kids (although I can't really fault them for that). Also, since eveything looks pretty cartoonish, from the art-style to the menus and UI, it's easy to think the target demographic is children.
>SMT 5 is about restoring balance to the multiverse by restoring YHVH while fighting your universe's Lucifer that rose up in his absence
>implication is that SMT 5 protag rides off to battle alongside a humbled YHVH against Demifiend and his Lucifer as well as Nanashi
How kino would it be
I can maybe see a slightly humbled YHVH but SMT games never really make direct references to each other in the main plot so I don't think Demifiend or Nanashi will show up outside of dlc
YHVH is gone forever, no one in this series has ever gotten "got" harder than him.
Luficer being the finale or even close is HIGHLY unlikely as we've done that before and he isn't all that grand in the scheme of this series/multiverse.
yes they do, these games are connected to each other quite a bit and are, believe it or not, actually sequential in nature, just on different universes or reset universes.
>YHVH
>Humbled
Won't happen. We might get a fragment or two willing to play nice but his entire characterization is built around being a control freak. However, with how far things have fallen into Chaos, he may need us as much as we need him. I do hope we can fuse YHVH in 5 at some point just because it would indeed be kino.
impossible, the very concept of him has been erased, only very select individuals would be capable of even knowing he ever existed at all.
Direct sequels are rare in the series, 1>2 and 4>4A from mainline. 5 being a sequel to 4 or 4A is unlikely, if it follows anything it's looking like 3, with the barren world after it's creator (breaking kagutsuchi cycle) is gone
they ARE direct sequels, they just take place on alternate or reset universes.
4's entire story is spurned on by the White, which is mankind's collective souls that yearn for nothingness because their souls keep getting reused due to the Universal Resets YHVH is doing, from SMT 2 and 3 and SJ.
if that's the case then sure, but it won't have anything to do with prior entries, like all the others
considering your getting a game where YHVH is "gone" with SMT 5, I'd say they were always direct sequels to each other but in more esoteric ways, like I laid out.
Your first mistake was giving a shit what Zig Forumse say
That's the writing.
The target audience is japs who wish they were still highschoolers.
Wasen't lucifer suppose to be beautiful and charming?
can you blame them? their entire culture and nation has built a society where the only fun time in your entire life is purposefully Highschool and that it is literally designed to be shit after.
He was killed in 2 also, Ed Bighead always finds a way back. Nevermind the fact that 4A is another AU to begin with that would retcon all of 4's possible endings anyway.
he can be whatever he wants to be.
he can be
(louis cyphere is the worst name i've ever read and i can't believe it's from an american horror movie)
no, he purposefully tells you that it isn't going to stick and that he curses you to unending shitty reincarnations forever.
SMT4 A is all about "REALLY REALLY" defeating YHVH with the Axiom's "blessing" through Stephen.
and you defeat every aspect of him in the Multiverse, or did you simply not get that subtext?
If you side with YHVH in MT2, He’ll obliterate Lucy in an instant.
Kids love edgy shit
>implying you wouldn't
He's got more than one form.
Finished watching the OVA.
This has got to be the most unlikable protagonist of all time.
He literally murders his classmates, offers his teacher to be raped by a demon, and tries to sacrifice the main girl in a satanic ritual.
In the novel he even gets his teacher to be impregnated by the demon and become its slave and gets another one of his teachers killed.
What the fuck is wrong with whoever wrote this shit?
>unlikable
I think you mean impossibly based and an ideal all men should strive for
Sounds like the average 4channer
sounding pretty fucking Chad to me, I dunno bro.
Holy sameface
As someone who is completely new to SMT and has started nocturne:
What the fuck is wrong with the protagonists friends? I get that their lifes are devoided of meaning and that the franchise is not about characters by rather ideas, but still why are they so dickish to me?
>One friend who you were worried about basically tells you to fuck off and if you don't agree with him he antagonizes you
>The female one buys into the "Strong>weak" idea and now wonders the world or something
>Your teacher who you saved is trying to invoke a god for a reason (literally) and only is thankful to you if you are useful/ agree to her.
Wtf poor demi-fiend.
How do people not think the new satan design isn't cool as fuck?
I mean gnosticism is a thing and has a lot of similar elements