Do you think streaming is an overall positive addition to the gaming scene?

The only thing that could possibly be said to be "positive" about streaming is that it widens the userbase (if people who just watch streams can be considered "users") for videogames. But that's actually a terrible thing, as these days videogames are being ruined by having a userbase that is too wide, diffuse, and stupid. The people brought in by streamers are the stupidest, lowest of the low. The definition of "lowest common denominator." That's a bad thing for video games.

But streaming is also bad in a lot of other ways, including for the viewers. They're kept in passive roles (watching instead of playing, and listening instead of speaking), which trains them for inactive, pathetic lives. And they're trained to treat complete strangers with latent to fully-raging narcissistic personality disorders as if they were their friends, and (what's worse) some sort of leaders. This is before we even think about the financial harm the system does to so many of its "fans."

In short, streaming is a fucking blight. It is a blight on society, it is a blight on video games, and it is a blight on the viewers. But it makes money, so it's not going anywhere. This is the nightmare we live in.

Nevertheless, I hope that the viewers do get free of their dangerous emotional addiction. I hope they start living their own lives, actively. Talking to their real friends (and not only listening). Participating in activities (and not only watching). And finding what they are, instead of what some commercial machine wants them to be.

Good fucking luck with that.

>I hope they start living their own lives, actively. Talking to their real friends (and not only listening). Participating in activities (and not only watching). And finding what they are, instead of what some commercial machine wants them to be.

That would make a pretty good epitaph.

One downside I see is people who only watch games yet demand changes for the sequel.

It shames me that some men are like this.

No, streams became a replacement for friends and a social life for many people, some dump money into it hoping it'll deepen the relationship between the streamer and viewer, when in reality they're just being used. In games some people just try to snipe their favorite streamer, or copy what they do since they admire them. You also get a bunch of people who have opinions on games based on how it was to watch, games like persona 5 for example has a pretty good amount of people who only watched it, this isn't exclusive to streaming and closer to youtube, but it still is part of the problem since we now have fans of things that can sometimes consist of people who never actually experienced it.

Not really. It's created an entire talent-sucking genre of streamer bait. People that could be making actual games are peddling reaction trash instead. Then there's the corruption of retro game communities with randos.

I have LITERALLY never seen a proof of this conversation being real outside the same fucking reddit screencap everyone reposts.
Why the fuck everyone here will believe anything as long as its posted on twitter or reddit?

It can be exploitative and morally gross when you get a bunch of lonely people who throw money at their favorite streamers because it thinks it makes them closer to having a relationship with someone. It's not inherently wrong but I think it gets abused so much (particularly by boob streamers) that everyone would be better off if Twitch, Youtube streaming, etc. didn't exist.

Probably because there are no consequences to incorrectly believing it's true, and it's amusing

>Guy's username is just "mod"
based

No, unless its related to esports

Yes.
It gets more people into gaming and it makes things easy to check out. it also helps build communities for more obscure titles.
Just because some shitty people get alot of attention doesn't make the whole thing bad.

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I think telling yourself lies so that you can stew in your own impotent anger over things that may never have happened is a pretty severe consequence in and of itself.

definitely, but a fire demands fuel

Social media and streaming have done more harm than all wars combined.

>think of the children

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>Nevertheless, I hope that the viewers do get free of their dangerous emotional addiction. I hope they start living their own lives, actively. Talking to their real friends (and not only listening). Participating in activities (and not only watching). And finding what they are, instead of what some commercial machine wants them to be.

That's the problem as to why streamwatching is popular is because they lack what you said above. If they had other hobbies and involved interacting with others, they wouldn't dedicate so much to videogame stream watching. If they had a strong friend circle, they wouldn't be trying to cope and fill the void through streamers. If guys had boyfriends, they sure as hell would give Thot streamers a dime.

This is a major problem. Before we can take any steps to finding a solution, we need people to recognize the problems this guy has in OP's pic and that it's not something to be mocked and scoffed at but to be taken seriously.

>social media
Yes.
>streaming
Nowhere near as big as you think it is.

I'm glad I'm just a pathetic loser and not a thirsty pathetic loser.

This conversation is not real, right?

I agree. I think that people need to breakdown society into their own, small units. I think people should be focused more on their community, their friends, their actions and creations, rather than celebrities or companies or twitter dickheads. But each person has to chose that themselves.

>. If guys had boyfriends, they sure as hell would give Thot streamers a dime.
you gotta proofread what you write

isn't this a false dichotomy? can't people do both?

Nah he's right on the money

Of course not. You should be able to tell just by looking critically at how he frames it
>Emphasized that he donated 30 before the other streamer said he looked cute
>Emphasized That he spends 1/3 of his day moding
Actual people who think they're in the right dont make themselves look so bad

Just completely alter society to fix your own problems 4Head
Just do it!

whoops.

That's what I've been thinking a lot about. In my own community, they talk about how back in the 60's where I live, you couldn't do something without someone reporting it back to your parents as you did it. Walk down the street late at night as a kid? Someone will inform your parents. Anything obviously illegal? Best be prepared for the beatdown when you get home. This community aspect of self policing doesn't exist nowadays. This also means that people communicated with each other a lot more back then as well. How do we bring this back?

I don't know if it's a false dichotomy when you say do one /more/ than the other. I don't think it has to mean to the exclusion of

if you weren't implying that online presence comes at a cost of in-person presence, then I apologize for misunderstanding.

>I'm not gonna mention him because then people get turned off by that idea
What a whore

>it gets more people into gaming
this is not a good thing

Maybe to you.

I apologize if I was unclear or misleading. I don't think the internet is evil or anything. I just mean to say that I think people can get addicted to it, and that addicts end up relying upon are hollow, and harmful substitutes for the real connections we need with people. I think that "your community" and "your friends" can be online. I just want it to be real, and really "yours"

You dont, either go live in a small rural village or learn to live with the consequences

I mean, that logic can be applied to nearly anything people spend time on. Excessive use of alcohol is proven to be harmful in many ways, yet the vast majority of alcohol users are able to live well-rounded and "healthy" (whatever you take that word to mean) lives regardless.