Realistically, how long do we have until an NVME SSD is going to be necessary for PC gaming...

Realistically, how long do we have until an NVME SSD is going to be necessary for PC gaming? With both new consoles using NVME SSDs as standard, it looks like HDDs are definitely going to be unusable next gen, but what about SATA SSDs? How long can they hold out?

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I think somewhere around 2016. was when ssd became a must for pc gaming.

games on consoles work differently than on pc

If you aren't already gen 4 m.2 nvme main drive with a sata ssd backup i don't know what to tell you.

Yeah, SATA SSDs. Until now, SATA SSDs have been shown to have exactly the same performance as NVME SSDs, which are like 10 times faster. But this is a time when everything is made for HDDs and load times are disguised as hallways and elevators. Next gen is going to make use of the greater speed to load way more shit on the fly.

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Ps4 and ps5 use x86, amd64 actually, architecture. Assets get loaded into memory, gpu renders shit on screen,etc.
Its a proprietary toy computer.

>gen 4 drive

You mean the PCIEx4 ones? They barely even exist yet. There's like 2 companies making them and Samsung isn't either of them.

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the loading is different. ps4 game is few big files that load and decompress when you play.
stupid pc comparison would be fitgirl repack but you play straight from it without installing.

PS5 SSD has 5.5gb/s raw read speeds, but with the standised hardware compression Sony says they'll use, the actual data rate is allegedly more like 9gb/s. My SATA drive can barely go up to 600mb/s. I'm just wondering how fucked I am for not getting a NVME, which currently can do 6.4gb/s a second without compression.

Yes, and it looks like PC is going to be rather behind because of it. All PC games are multiplates. And... AND you need to consider that the increased horsepower of the PC in other areas like GPU and CPU means that it will be bottlenecked to hell on graphics settings that are higher than on consoles. PC will be trying to stream larger files through a smaller pipe, in games that were designed to have a pipe that is gaping wide.

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M.2 is 7 old tech and consumer motherboards with it are being sold since 2014.
Nvme just means it doesn't use ahci and goes trough pcie.
If you're familiar with the memory speed and capacity block diagram you will realize that until a storage is as fast as cpu registry memory there will be no revolution.

Quake 3 is an executable and a big archived pk3 or something file from which asset files get decompressed and used its nothing new.
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I wonder at what point Sony will actually show this making a difference to games that isn't starwipe to a new level (Which a normal SSD could do right now).

There is no evidence this makes a difference. None. Every time I've asked no one has provided anything except some slides from Sony.

>If you're familiar with the memory speed and capacity block diagram you will realize that until a storage is as fast as cpu registry memory there will be no revolution.

Why, exactly? SATA SSD is 500/530mb/s, NVME is 3200mb/s. That alone is huge, and the PS5 is supposed to be even better. A speed difference of 6 times is already huge. It stands to reason that next gen games could be choppy as fuck without SSDs. But could NVME SSDs finally actually be worth buying over SATA? They were never worth it before because SATA SSDS always yielded the same FPS as NVME.

And HDDs are 150mb/s at best so they are absolutely fucked. I reckon that a SATA SSD will be okay until around 2023. By that point, console developers will be fully adjusted to the new architecture and they'll be leveraging the read speeds of the consoles fully.

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Because some talentless faggot somewhere will program the game to load a 1GB raw wav sound file of a few sentences about in game niggers into the ram from an ssd.
Speed of ram will probably forever be faster than of magnetic permanent storage and if you made a game with a total size of 32MB so it can totally be loaded into the cpu cache it will still have to be rendered on screen.
I recommend that you play Morrowind on a Pentium 4 at 2GHz, with 256MB of ram and a pata hdd with no more than 40GB and 7200 rpm, then play openmw Morrowind on a modern machine with a modern sata3 hdd and then on a ssd machine.

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>150MB/s
I have a 5400RPM drive that operates at 190MB/s.

>Realistically, how long do we have until an NVME SSD is going to be necessary for PC gaming?
5 years but more likely 10 years

I suppose that could be possible if it's a big HDD, since they have denser platters.

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NVMEs don't make a big enough difference in gaming to justify using them. Normal SATA SSDs should be enough unless the newer NVMEs get stronger.

You're right, it's an 8TB drive.

The thing you need to think about with the PS5 SSD, is that it's so much better than the shitty spinning discs they were using, that they won't know what to do with it. It's going to be years before we see anything that actually makes use of the SSD effectively.

who the fuck uses an external hard drive?

I use one to install games from and sometimes to download torrents to.

Everyone will. Downloads are only going to get bigger.

>They call it SATA 6gb/s
>The best any SSD can do over SATA is 600mb/s

Is this a joke?

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>i don't understand the difference between bits and bytes
kek

They aren't THAT different.

we'll probably see a couple games try to use it well in the first year, and then nothing for a while, and then towards the end of the gen devs will really figure it out

>New mobo
This would mean a new computer
Sooner kill myself really. There's never going to be a Civ better than V what do I care. I want off Sweeny's wild ride anyway

It's honestly not going to make enough of a difference this gen.

t. have 3 layers of storage; NVME, SATA SSD, and large HDD

there's 8x the difference

pcs have been using SSDs and nvme SSDs for years, user. What are you talking about? You know that anything a console gets, PCs have had it for a while. You know that, right? You're not buying into marketing hype, right user?

hey, that's what I have too. Nice job user

They will be fine for majority of gaming, you will need more space though

I actually do believe that Sony isn't lying about a verifiable, hard number that will be tested to hell by reviewers when the console is out.

Same, 1 3TB HDD, 2 1TB SSDs, 1 1TB NVMe. Will get another high speed NVMe when the price drops and 9GB/s becomes the norm for NO games to use it

the number is probably true but devs have to actually use it for something meaningful or it's just marketing hype because normies know "bigger numbers = better"

>texture streaming
I remember when textures loaded instantly

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I have 1TB NVME, 250GB SATA, 8TB HDD.

I doubt anyone is really going to take full advantage of the new SSDs until years down the line
I'd say you still have quite some time before they become necessary

>comparing to external hdd
for what reason?