Every single time politics are brought up, you people sperg out and say "go back to /pol". And yet, discussion of video games on /pol would obviously not be allowed. This shit is relevant and worth discussing. Whether it takes a backseat (BS Infinite) or when it's at the forefront (TLOU2), a developer's political leanings are almost always a detriment to their product. You can like the games all you want, but they would be objectively better without the forced messaging.
>hurr there's plenty of old games that are political and you don't care about those? game first, politics seconds. The order has been reversed in recent years.
Zig Forums will sperg out about politics and still buy the game. temtem being the greatest example. Does anyone else remember the thousands of shill threads the """POKEMON KILLER"""" had here? What's the point of any discussion? This board is trash. It's on a loop of trash. >popular game = bad >not popular game = bad >game = bad shit board, cope, seethe and mostly importantly dilate. None of you will ever pass.
Brayden Cook
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Jackson Russell
I can't argue with any of this Thanks for proving my point. Are you that afraid of discussion / debate?
Cameron Parker
Because it always leads to a devastated thread, inevitable Zig Forums dumps and generally nothing actually gets fucking talked about, it becomes a magnet for Zig Forumsio and the thread hits bump limit in 2 hours, fuck man this would actually be better off if videogame politics were actually talked about in Zig Forums, maybe in its own thread or something. Saying that these sort of flamebait politics belong on Zig Forums is like asking "Why can't we talk about Candlejack" and when you're told people disappear y
William Johnson
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I get most of my gaming news from Zig Forums, including all political stuff. Just because other people don't want to talk about it, or that they disagree with your worldview of "it would be better if X" doesn't mean it's not "allowed." People come here to discuss games, or, more often, to just have fun posting memes about games and shitposting. Not everyone views everything politically and wants to discuss it. This is a video game board. I've also seen video game politics discussion on Zig Forums, so don't act like they're not allowed there either.
If you want to talk politics, do it lightly and don't sperg out. Otherwise, go to Zig Forums.
Gabriel Edwards
>I make the rules Your opinion on politics is irrelevant, it's the fact that a game dev can have a CLEAR political agenda in his game, and any time it's discussed, you're told to leave by morons like you and No one is saying we have to agree on politics, but when politics become intertwined with video games, it's relevant to talk about on this board. No matter how much you classify it as "sperging out"
John Barnes
>game first, politics seconds What politics are in that REmake 3 example?
Justin Wilson
fpbp
Isaiah Kelly
>flamebait What are you talking about? So because people can't handle themselves when politics are brought up, we shouldn't mention them at all? Don't wake the sleeping baby? The games we play clearly want us to care about politics. So much so that the gameplay is sidetracked, in some instances, so we get the political messaging. It's not "Zig Forumsio" to talk about it.
Nathaniel Williams
>game tries to push a narrative >I am a fully functional adult with agency >simply ignore narrative and go Bing Bing Wahoo How the fuck are all of you such retarded gorilla niggers
Jaxon Brooks
Granted, I was just looking for a final image, so it doesn't fit with the rest. However: >stronk women is so stronk can lift 300+ kg railgun because she's just so stronk She'd be able to body slam nemesis if she could do that.
Parker Flores
Delete Zig Forums
Ayden Fisher
There's nothing political about RE3 you cunt. I'm convinced every main character in that universe is some kind of super human. Was it political when Chris punched the boulder?
Nolan Clark
i support the jill with a cannon politics
William Perry
>Because people can't handle themselves when politics are brought up Exactly. Every single thread that gets political goes to shit very fast because it's both a Zig Forums magnet and a shitposter magnet. You have all sorts of obvious shitposts that people treat as serious, crossposters that post infodumps, but basically the best thing you can do is to ignore the politics, literally. You'll get a far better talking experience about a game than when including the politics about it. The moment modern-day inflammatory political issues are brought up the thread's over. If you really want to talk about the politics of a videogame don't do it on Zig Forums, though I wouldn't advise Zig Forums either. Just find some Discord group or whatever, anywhere else basically
Ayden Perez
>Ignore the other 3 images No, RE5 and RE6 are their own works. RE3 is a remake. If this happened in the original, it'd be understandable. Instead, it happened in a remake, which just so happened to be release in the era of "strong women being strong for the sake of it". This is what I mean when I say everyone spergs out when politics are mentioned. It's not just a coincidence that something completely new like that from the original is added to a game release NOW rather than in 1999.
>any time it's discussed, you're told to leave by morons This will probably never stop happening. Nothing you can do will change that aspect of board culture, it has happened for over a decade at this point.
>No one is saying we have to agree on politics Yes you are, because you're saying that I am wrong and you are right. Your idea of clear political agenda is not everyone's idea, and by claiming something is objective, you're immediately being argumentative. Stuff like TLoU2 is beyond debate, because the devs openly talk about it, which is why there were so many threads the first few weeks of its release. But other games, where the politics have almost no bearing on the content of the game or the enjoyment you can get from it (unless you're viewing it from that lens) have almost no need for discussion in the eyes of most people
Andrew Martinez
They changed Jill's outfit to make the game "realistic" yet you have her lifting an extremely heavy weapon when her arms are fucking twigs just to show she's strong and empowered.
Not to mention they turned Carlos from a ladies man into a simp who only exists to validate Jill and mention how brave and strong she is every 5 minutes.
The boulder punching was a metaphor for the crack epidemic.
Jose Jones
I suppose that was my point. It's literally not allowed on /pol and /v throws a fit so it's weird that there's no "official" place on this site to discuss it.
Hudson Lopez
It's not allowed on Zig Forums? That's dumb, it's supposed to be a containment board for anything politics-related. Try pushing the issue, or try talking to mods on the IRC about it
Better to shout into the abyss then fade silently faggot. And Zig Forums will generally not buy games if they are gonna be dogshit save for a vocal minority. Furthermore the REAL problem with sales is the normalfags and kids. And moms who buy for their kids.
Carson Walker
Are you too much of a retarded gorilla nigger to both enjoy the game and trash talk it on Zig Forums?
Your thread is shit and Zig Forums should be deleted.
Grayson Scott
Same reason why we're not allowed to discuss games that are cute and at the same time funny - mods are both gay and retarded, the most regrettable combination of traits there is, but sadly that's by design, since that's how you qualify for being a mod in the first place.
On the topic at hand though, are you quite sure the >they would be objectively better without the forced messaging is correct? How about you prove it first before throwing such assertions around? There are games that Zig Forums selflessly fellates all the time that wouldn't exist if not for the forced messaging, like for example Disco Elysium. Would you just cancel that game?
Thomas Reed
Because most of the time it’s not a game being political, but just Zig Forums sperging out. Case in point: there is little to no politics in TLoU2. Yet you claim politics are at the forefront. Political statements are a lot more overt in BSInfinite (or the BS series as a whole for that matter)
Connor Moore
>talking to the mods on the IRC >assuming this will fix anything >ignore the politics Kinda hard to when it ruins games like Said. I'd rather just not play or find something else to do and wait for a game that I think I may enjoy then some woke garbage I know I won't.
Caleb Price
Yea man, talking to mods fixes stuff but they'll usually redirect you to Feedback. /qa/ isn't even that useless either, I remember when (you) notifications were removed for a while because of /qa/
Jordan Cooper
>no politics in TLOU2 Im convinced this entire thread was a bait.
Brody Walker
I mean if you say so. But /vpol/ would be an even worse cesspool then regular Zig Forums and the only people that would post there are Jew shills and baiters who would inevitably take over the board. ..on second thought I am actually for this if it would keep shitters off Zig Forums
Angel Parker
What are the politics of TLoU2 besides the rather shallow “Revenge bad”? Compare this to the first BS game, which is the most explicit critique of Ayn Rand imaginable
Lucas Butler
Never heard of it. Also I can provide examples. Wolfenstein 2. The first game had obvious political messaging but the story could still hold up on its own in any time period. Now 2 comes along >shirtless pregnant women >lifts 2 assault rifles >covered in blood >slow motion >Literally sitting on top of B.J. the weak man In any other era than the current one, this would be laughed off as asinine. The only reason it was included is because of the current demand for strong women. This is an example of a political agenda getting in the way of quality.
Parker Scott
I agree with the low-brow Infinite bullshit, but how is a flag hanging in an abandoned building propaganda? Or a woman lifting a big gun in a silly anime game? There's a lot of propaganda in games today but I think this person is being overly sensitive.
Jaxson Cook
Discordtrannies need to be purged first.
Hudson Peterson
Fuck off back to Zig Forums schizo
Colton Howard
>play REmake 3 >cool moment where Jill lifts a giant railgun and shoots a giant biological abomination >Zig Forumsirgin from a psyop discord plays REmake3 >muh woman stronk nothing like this could happen in Resident Ebil or real life ever >seethe >make a shitty Zig Forums thread >cry yourself to sleep
>don't play shitty games like Bioshock Infinite, Last of Us 2, Bioshock Infinite and wreck my brain about them >22 year old Zig Forumsirgin who got redpilled by off-topic Zig Forums threads following the Ferguson unrests when he was underaged sees screenshots from any of those games >spends time day after day after day making shitty Zig Forums threads expecting to finally find a perfect echo chamber to experience a bond with neckbeards
Jeremiah Kelly
You mean identity politics?
Angel Martin
edgy centrists always saying they're not biased at all but they always bow down and lick the cultural marxist boot
If you couldnt see the politics of trannies and stonk females and angry female empowerment and see how maybe, just maybe, things were made that way to fit a narrative as part of a concentrated effort to prop up certain societal beliefs then I honestly don't think we would fundamentally agree on whether its political or not. And unstoppable force and immovable object don't ever break the tie further discussion would only serve to bump the thread because neither of us will convince the other to their side. Actually OP if you want a universal reason to want Zig Forums off Zig Forums its that political discussions don't ever have a resolution. The other sides will never agree with each other on anything and it will derail threads. This is the age of viewpoints and once someone finds a hill to die on they are stuck for life.
Alexander Barnes
>strawman "Revenge bad" isn't the only thing that ticks people off. How about the >let's just take a detour into a synagogue where my lesbian main character and her girlfriend discuss how persecuted the Jews are. This literally interrupts the flow of the game, just to introduce political messaging. This is what I meant when I said the order of "game first, politics second" has been reversed. As for Bioshock, I only included Infinite for a reason. The political messaging takes up a big chunk of the beginning of the game, but from that point on it's (mostly) solid in game lore with gameplay. But even in that game, there's the occasional break in pacing to talk about segregated bathrooms. Completely irreverent to the story / characters, breaks the flow, would have been better off without it.
Ian Wilson
>What are the politics of TLoU2 besides the rather shallow “Revenge bad”? It's a "Revenge Bad" story where you kill over 200 people to get to this message. That's the political messaging, and it sucks, just like the rest of the game.
You could also argue that it's making the argument that women are just as physically capable as men, but that's not the forefront of its messaging, just a side effect of the gameplay, which also sucks.
Lucas Richardson
Most blacks are not functional human beings, they should be sent back to the wild.
Nicholas Phillips
THANK YOU. This is why I made this thread.
Eli Hernandez
>he doesn't fit into my overgeneralized views of the radical left or right, so he must not care at all and is part of this other overgeneralized group Stop seeing the world in black and white. Besides race.
Justin Perez
Pass what?
Jace Jenkins
to post a shitty strawman?
Gabriel Lopez
Just because the political messaging isn't spelled out for you like BS, doesn't mean they're not trying to make a political statement. If anything, the Bioshock messaging isn't as insulting because at least the devs don't try to deny they have a political message Wolf 2 being an egregious example of this.
Obviously it's not always as easy to see the messaging like in Wolf 2, and when it's more subtle you get people saying there's no messaging at all. Fuck Ubisoft in particular with this, and anyone that tries to deny their bullshit.
