What the FUCK is the problem with these 2? Is there such a thing as the N64-mafia?
I mean I finished them and was like "yeah that's alright, cool" but apparently they take a complete dump on every other videogame I ever played. What exactly is the point in the game where I was supposed to be overwhelmed by the peak of human creation before me, drop my controller, and repeatedly ejaculate all over my screen because nothing else can or ever will compare? There's no real story so people aren't cumming over that, the graphics/aesthetics are way better in other low poly games. There's way better OSTs in their own series too. Was there something so incredibly complex and astounding in the gameplay I missed?
I mean they're not bad don't get me wrong, I'm happy I played them, but is Mario doing a flip and some easy puzzles supposed to be the GOAT to some people?
do people actually think the way OP says they do? You’re retarded if you think both of these games haven’t aged for the worse
Aiden Jackson
Zoomer plays games that were revolutionary for their time and gets confused uwu
Colton Evans
Same engine
Jace Nguyen
Ocarina of Time is ok but Mario 64 is the best 3d platformer ever made.
Kevin Smith
Yeah but it's a pretty common opinion these are GOAT
It's a weird phenomenon since they're both pretty linear too, I could get it if they allowed for you to do something cool and different every playthrough, but they don't
Ethan Morgan
I imagine there's a lot of novels and old films you don't like either. It doesn't change their quality or importance
Jack Carter
Nah. Just beat the Spirit Temple yesterday on my N64. Still tons of fun and has aged incredibly well. Get dunked on lolololol
Luke Phillips
how far down are you on the spectrum? when the fuck did linear mean bad you faggot?
Isaiah Young
I think Half Life 2 is fucking horrible but I also played it in 2016. Games can be products of their time. Only in hindsight can you compare them to much better concepts, much more realized potential, and grafix.
Aiden Gomez
Just a reminder that an argument that resembles "but you have to understand at the time..." is apologism for mediocrity. Both are good games. But both have been surpassed. Even within their own series
I feel the same way about the Great Gatsby I guess I mean it's not bad, but when a game allows for shit tons of variety in user input that's usually how people get addicted. Look at AI Dunegon.
Gavin Johnson
Tooie > Kazooie > M64
Thomas Morales
Are you OP? pfpffttt FUCKING Tooie?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA
Christopher Cox
>Mario 64 is linear
what the actual shit is this insane baitnigger doing
you have to understand, the n64 was so starved for games back then that the one game they got per year was overrated to the extreme as a coping mechanism. add in the usual nintendo bonus and it's easy to see why these mediocre games are so overhyped even today.
I'm a zoomer and I played mario 64 for the first time on an emulator few years ago and I thought it was great and better than a lot of stuff made nowadays.
Cooper Garcia
They're the first to do 3D well. There's been attempts and psudo-3D games that are good, but for pure gameplay in 3D, Nintendo managed to do insanely well with the medium on the first go. Things since then have been better, but you get a lot more attention/remembrance when you're the first. Quake and Doom also fit this mould for shooters in general. Myst for point and click. There was things like this before, but these are the first to nail very early 3D gaming.
Parker Robinson
It is about what they accomplished when they first appear, and their influence. You don't go and say Picasso sucks because some Patreon does better on photoshop or The Beatles sounds worst than some dude with autotune, right?
Imagine all the standards you take for granted in a 3d platforming/adventure genre, then take it away. Now replay Mario 64 and OoT, you will then understand why people made a big deal about them.
It was in Japan, N64 was such a trainwreck they had to use mahjong games for marketing. There's something wrong when you can't even get Street Fighter on your system.
I mean MGS and RE2, Banjo and Spyro all came out the same year... RE and Tomb Raider are both older. But I digress. they get the cock sucking still in 2020. Why do we have to judge these games from the perspective if a small child in 1998 who didn't own a computer or PlayStation?
Noah Evans
yes, it actually had games.
Levi Ramirez
Resident Evil with its tank controls? Hell nah.
Levi Nguyen
I one 100% would if those statements were true yeah. I like the beatles but they are a tad overated and I prefer lots of modern artists. Likewise with Picasso. This is a dumb comparison.
Jackson Thomas
It usually appears in terms of being the first on many things, but it belong to a generation you don't usually find on forums, specially Zig Forums. It is 50 years old.
Easton Morris
because they are just trying to rationalize their nostalgia but most people in vidya these days don't have nostalgia for Pong. When the millenials die off nobody will consider M64 or OoT GOAT anymore.
Robert Gomez
I don't think you're giving the gameplay and level design enough credit. You should also take into consideration how early these two games were for what they did. Now, are they overhyped? Yeah, probably. I much prefer Mario Galaxy of 64. But I do think they're excellent games.
Hunter Bailey
I'm actually surprised they were considered the 'best games ever' at the time, I would argue they were much better games during that era (e.g. Half-Life, Chrono Trigger, Thief 1). Even Banjo-Kazooie is arguably better than both these games. They're both fine, and influential, but I don't understand why they are considered 'the best games of all time'.
Austin Hernandez
Did you miss the part about what these artists accomplished and the influence they had on the medium?
