>perfect excuses to rework gameplay of old characters
>easy excuse to put a characther with simple changes such a weight, speed or some moves without needing to work too much and without feeling wasting a fighter spot
Echoes fighter are truly the worst shit implemented, at this point, it should have been just a costume swap instead
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Chrom shouldve been removed from Robin FS and victory pose
If they were gonna do something like this, they should've added way more. I doubt it would've taken much effort to slap on Funky Kong, Dry Bowser, etc.
Honestly this
I'm still mad we could have got all those characthers and Sakurai decided he wanted to do all the heroes of DQ instead
Dark Samus deserved better
>Sakurai decided he wanted to do all the heroes of DQ instead
They aren't echos
What is dark pit’s gimmick?
His side b is slightly different with knockback
Different final smash and his arrows are less controllable but more powerful.
It also does electric damage, also his Final Smash
gotta hand it to sakurai. back in the day, i remember people saying clone characters were lame. then sakurai gives them the official term of "echo fighters" and suddenly people love them and want more. all he fucking did was give them a fancy name and people started eating it up.
Lucina > Marth, but you right desu
The biggest missed opportunity with echoes was not giving Ganondorf a completely new Zelda based moveset, the introduce this guy as an echo of Captain Falcon with Ganondorf's old moveset. This coming form someone who is not a fan of either series.
What about Richter and Daisy?
This still bugs me, why is it that Pit gets a moveset change but not Ganondorf
Richter's holy water deals aurora damage instead of fire
Daisy's side smash is just the golf club while Peach's was changed to just the frying pan
Richter's down special doesn't count as a flame where Simon's does, I think this only affects certain items and Pikmin.
Daisy used to have slightly less knockback on some moves allowing for combos at low percents, but it was patched out as a bug. Now I think she's identical to Peach.
Bias
Simmon's holy water is fire, Richter's is aura.
Daisy has slightly differnt hitboxes while standing.
Video talking about all of this.
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Because Sakurai prioritizes sucking his own dick over giving fans what they want.
Peach and Daisy can both use the frying pan the golf club and the tennis racket
Well then i am mistaken and for some reason every time i used Peach's and Daisy's side smash they would always use the frying pan and golf club respectively
you can chose which one you use with diagonals just like how you can aim some side smashes like Marth's or Byleth's
different Final Smash
Slower arrows
Different angle on side B
I think Daisy and Dark Amus gameplay wise are 100% the same as their counterparts
it changes based on the angle you press the stick in when do the move, retardo
I had absolutely no idea, how does that even work
i just told you how it works
You don't have to be a douchebag about it
Daisy is very slightly smaller than Peach
Tilt the stick slightly up or down but still doing a forward smash
Like let's say you tilt the stick at 90 degrees. Your doing a forward smash, if you do it at 80 degrees you get a tilted upward version and 100 degrees a filter downwards. Take king K rool for example, you need to do a tilted downward forward smash to it some buried characters
So what, it's like a diagonal smash
Richter too. That was such a lazy disappointment. They should have just been costumes like the Koopas if they weren't going to have any gameplay differences whatsoever.
Why didnt they give Daisy and Dark Samus their base characters alternative specials from sm4sh to spice it up? It's still refusing content so easy to do
Thank you
As mentioned in the thread Richters down B does aura damage rather than fire damage. This is a tiny tiny different and would only make a difference in a match up with Olimar. (Olimar can throw a red pitman through Simon's firewall but not richters.
Boo fucking hoo. These characters would of never been playable if weren't just simple echos. If they got rid of them, there wouldn't be anything in their place.
Simon's down b can also trigger links' bombs.
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