Last of Us II

I'd like to know how you became so magnificent at judging a 40 hour game that you obviously haven't played for a single second

>hey Zig Forums, it's time for your daily 500 reply shiflinging fiesta tlou2 thread

Damn, I sure fucking hope so because I only finished this yesterday and I want to talk about how great it is on here while specifically knowing that 80% of Zig Forumsirgins haven't played it and hate it

LMFAO GUYZZ VIRGINS AM I RITE
DEY DIDN PLAY LMAFAO
GUYS THEY DIDN'T PLAY ROTFL

Peak simp, you must LOVE avengers movies.

Have you played it? (I know the answer already)

sorry bro I don't watch capeshit

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Wish someone put the barn on fire when they were inside.

this imagine caring about meme flavor of the month crap or sjw garbage

I bit the bullet on Fall Guys because it seems like mindless fun, which is perfect for unwinding during a college semester. I liked TLoU enough to double-dip on the game (PS3 and PS4 versions), mainly due to the multiplayer. I found the single-player to be predictable and too monotonous for me, which is odd because the Uncharted games have plenty of variety and interesting tonal changes. I still to this day say that Uncharted 1, 2, and 4 mog TLoU.

lmao that draw distance.
Fog to hide the glaring performance issues.

>Its another Zig Forums seethes like giant faggots at TLoU II episode

Based.

>40 hour game
The time to get the Platinum isn't even 40 hours, dipshit.

GUYS HE'S ASKING ME AGAIN IF I PLAYED IT LMFAO

For all the story faults, the audiovisual design is really, really good.

Fundamentally, 'The Last of Us 2' hates you. It doesn't matter if you're new to the game or a returning fan. It does not like you. It does not want to engage you. It insults your intelligence. It insults your sense of morality and decency. This is because Abby is portrayed as righteous even though she isn't. It is blatantly disregarding your perception because it doesn't value you. That's why even brain damaged video game reviewers feel its insulting them. Because it is.

Abby's clear evil vs. her portrayal creates an obvious cognitive dissonance that is purposeful. Druckman is telling you, flat out, to like her regardless of your own perceptions. He's not even trying to manipulate you, because Abby's evil is so ominous and overwhelming, he's hitting you in the face with a hammer, laughing as he forces you to 'enjoy' her presence.

She's not even a compelling villain. She's not a compelling protagonist. She is basically created to be an unlikeable avatar by Druckman himself to infuriate the audience. Abby exists only for Druckman. She is his character, you will like her, point blank. It isn't asking you to have an opinion, because it simply doesn't care about it.

So, for new audiences, Abby's obviously insane quest is portrayed as fine, somehow still searching for revenge, even though it is utterly impossible for audiences to identify with this character. Making Joel a prop is basically going to have no emotional resonance for anyone coming into this. With no scenes between Ellie and Joel, any new player is going to be alienated and fail to relate to Ellie in any real way. It will be primarily superficial, followed by sheer misery.

You will not even be attracted to her, as she's modeled intentionally as ugly as possible. She is unpleasant to look at, her personality is that of a serial killer and you have to play as her. There's no better proof: Neil Druckman hates you.

VEEE IS SEETHING GUYZ LOOK HOW SMUG I AM ROTFL

>They are masters at crafting these things
Idk man I liked Uncharted 4 but didn't like the Druckmann edit story at all (previous Uncharteds were also just shlock stories), and I thought TLOU1 was ok with an exceptional ending, but TLOU2 really fucking turned it up. You're right in that they have been setting the bar for presentation for a long time though.

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It hates you even more if you're a former player. Joel's destruction in the game physically is Druckman's meta comment to the old audience. Simply put, its: Fuck you. There's no other message here. He's telling you straight up to go fuck yourself. Even Abby's utterly insane quest to kill 'Joel' reveals something about Druckman's state of mind: He's INCREDIBLY insecure about Joel as a character. He didn't write him, he didn't create him. So he has to destroy him. Not only that, but utterly annihilate him in a fashion that will insult everyone who liked him. Because fuck them too.

Druckman makes Joel save Abby, because Abby is the character he likes. In addition to this, he makes Joel save her to twist the knife further for people. In a way, its even worse than re-writing him to have done some bad things. He's completely redeemed, but Druckman will destroy that and make him pointless. Another piece of evidence is that Joel is killed in a sea of other men named Joel, rendering him not special. It takes away from Joel and belittles him.

His grudge against Joel I would say is pathological. His death is torturous and pointless, one of many who came before him. He's never really with Ellie for any amount of time. He's never avenged and Ellie hates him at the end of the game. His annihilation in favor of Abby speaks to a deep seated inferiority complex for anything he didn't create.

It goes beyond Joel being a 'white guy'. This is clearly punishment for Joel not being written by Druckman and liked better than Abby, as he knew he would be. He even inserts himself spitting on Joel. Druckman's mental insecurities are on full display in response to Joel.

Perhaps most egregiously, Ellie is completely destroyed. What was supposed to be her game was stolen from her by a character nobody asked for, and Druckman demands you like her in the place of Ellie. Its probably most discussed about in this thread at how Ellie was switched out with Abby, and of course this was on purpose.

None of this was for subverting expectations, artistic license or any of that fact. It was because: Fuck you. Neil Druckman does not like you. He hates you. And by proxy, Ellie as well. It doesn't matter her history or background. Even her motivations are just simple revenge. And for that, you are forced to commit horrible shit because you need to be 'just as bad' as Abby. Except the game forces you to do so, which basically ignores the consequences of what you're supposed to be doing. If a dog is going to tear my throat out, I'm not really going to care if I'm forced into a flashback with that dog.

Again, by proxy, anyone following Abby is complicit in her serial murder, so there is this clear disconnect with what Ellie is doing and what the game is telling you. Druckman does not care about this. Because fuck you.

Ellie is unable to kill Abby solely because Druckman does not want her to. There is literally no reason to take her down off of that cross when she tried to kill your pregnant girlfriend and knocked your teeth out. You should probably just gut her. But Ellie does not. She takes her down, then tries to drown her, gets her fingers bitten off and then puts her on a boat.

I'll bite.
I liked the first game, but will never touch the 2nd.
What's in the barn? Rape? Guro? A jew?

stop making these daily threads you autist

This is not some great artistic statement. It makes no sense from any narrative standpoint. It is only to make you hate Ellie and Druckman's visceral disgust for his audience. How is it possible that Ellie, after having mounds of bodies stacked up by her hand, fails to kill a helpless person on a cross, after all the lines she's crossed? It simply isn't possible. It is only by his design that Abby does not die. The game has no narrative. It has no story. It is what Druckman wants to happen, when it happens and it doesn't care about logic or reason. Because it does not care about its audience or the audience's view on events that happen.

And its because Abby is better than Ellie in Druckman's mind. Simple as that.

The diversity in this game only exists to shield it from criticism. There's no reason it is here. It plays no role in the plot, it has no notable effect on characters or their actions and is barely relevant. If you look closely, these labels simply are irrelevant. They mean nothing, effect nothing and are only inserted so Druckman can have a convenient defense.

What does Ellie's homosexuality amount to, really? Her girlfriend gets pregnant, but Druckman has no problem beating her to death possibly and is only saved because she is pregnant. It could have been a friend or a companion. It doesn't matter all that much. If you're buying into the diversity narrative, you're just getting played.

These things exist in this game for Druckman to point to as a reason to why people hate it. They should be ignored. They're utterly irrelevant and positioned only to shield the creator from what he wrote.

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There's only one person this game is made for. That's Neil Druckman himself. In the end, this is what it comes down to. This is a game by Neil Druckman, for Neil Druckman. Its not for anyone else. I asked in the beginning: What is 'The Last of Us 2'? The answer is it is a 100 million dollar vanity project. That's all this game is. It is to revel in the greatness of Neil Druckman. His characters are better, his story is better, everything is better. It is designed for him. He is the one to play this game at the end. Its the one he wanted to play.

Its why the studio left, its why he had to outsource. This was not a collaborative effort. This was a vanity project built on somebody else's dime. There is no audience for this game besides one person. Its not for you, its not for me, its not for fans, its not for people who play games, its not for progressives. It is only for Neil Druckman and you will pay for that privilege.

In short, the game hates you. No matter who you are. It is a 100 million dollar title telling you to go fuck yourself. It is singularly, the worst written, most pathetic excuse for a piece of art I've ever seen for this budget. Its the definition of a vanity project.

So that basically sums up my tear down of TLOU 2. Barring any further developments, I think I've broken it down pretty consciously

Jesus H Christ, I want to buy this man a beer and shake his hand. b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-BASED

>still clearly hasn't played it
Lmao. I played it on Grounded, and my save clocked in at 33 hours, while I know definitively that my real playtime was around 40.

The only way you'd 100% the game on Grounded in under 38 hours is by it not being your first playthrough and by having a guide. Also, Grounded difficulty is not even in vanilla and a separate trophy set.

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he's gonna ask you WHAT WAS THE THEME next lmfao

Shame that they didn't just end it there and made the story somehow worse after that god-awful 10 hour stint where you play as Abby.
Seriously, why the fuck would you make this game like 30 hours long?

GUYS HE SAID IT AGAIN!!!!! HE SAID NOBODY PLAYED IT!!!! GUYS NOBODY IN THIS THREAD PLAYED IT!!!!!!!

BUMP

>heh you clearly didn't play it
>huh? used a guide? played on a different difficulty? AGGGGGHHHHHH NOOOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT!!!!!

BUMPERINO

I know you're baiting but I'm begging ya to get a clue. You clearly haven't played not just the second, but not even the first game. Druckmann wrote Joel.

You liked the game therefore you are hoping for a low quality thread about it?
> I want to talk about how great it is on here while specifically knowing that 80% of Zig Forumsirgins haven't played it and hate it
How is this satisfying for you? Surely there are more satisfying things to do?

BUMPEROOO

BUMPER STICKERZ

I'm not saying you used a guide. I'm saying I didn't, and as a veteran epic gaymer I clocked in at around 40. You just haven't played it

They should've had you go back to Jackson after Jesse died and Tommy was shot. Would've ended on the bittersweet note of Ellie trying to learn to let go but being plagued with PTSD and regret.
Or at the very least they could've let me actually fucking kill Abby and not bait for a Last of Us 3.
All of the actual writing talent seems to have been relegated to side stories and notes rather than the actual fucking plot.

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not on pc dont care

>How is this satisfying for you? Surely there are more satisfying things to do?
Idk broski I feel like everything that's so great about the game kind of goes over reddit's head with reductive explanations, though Zig Forumstards do the same with "revenge bad". I think that the people on here who have played it and liked it are more likely to understand it deeper

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Why is it so grey

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Is there an arcade mode where you can just play the combat encounters without any cutscenes?

>Idk broski I feel like everything that's so great about the game kind of goes over reddit's head with reductive explanations
You must be reddit and resetERA are unironically the only places you can discuss this game in peace.