Cinema took 30 years of being mainstream to create its own Tarkovsky, Hitchcock and Kubrick

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maybe

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Lmao Jesus christ. Bet you watch youtube essays on movies and games.

The first opera was in 1597. Wagner's Tristan and Isolde, which is easily the most influential opera ever, was in 1865. That's 268 years. Film and games have barely scratched the surface.

shame tactic on Zig Forums to stop them from posting attractive biological females that spread to other boards via discord and pedoera trannies, similar to le funny coomer meme

Sometimes

But either way TLOU Part 1 & 2 combined is by far the best story told in videogames, and one of the best pieces of zombie apocalypse media in general

is coffee good for you tho

No.

>what do you mean by 'coffee'?

gay sex, and no it isn't good on the whole

>Lucas Pope
>Miyamoto
>Kamiya
>Will Wright
>Kojima
>Mikami
>Sid Meier
>Jon Carmack and Jon Romero but not when they're separated

Videogames typically have massive teams and long development cycles. It's uncommon for individual developers to leave huge imprints on the games they make, or to have especially large bodies of work. The rise of the 'games as a service' model further compounds that second point, as the most influential team members might be stuck maintaining a game long after they made it. All this is to say that the nature of the beast means there aren't a lot of auteurs.

Who the flipping fuck watches opera?

We have Matsuno and Taro so we doing okay.

>That's 268 years

By that logic we might as well say spinning tops were invented 300 years ago so why aren't vidya games good.

I’m thinking of watching old movies but do you guys think old movies are worth watching?
I’m talking about movies from like 1910 and up? Or should I just start at the 80s? I feel like that’s as old as you can go with anything even music books comics everything etc
Anyone from Zig Forums?

Video games are not art and the people who push that rhetoric are jews who want to control the media with semantic word games.

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Of course video games are art you dumbfuck

It actually physically pains me to even see the implication that movies from before 1980 would be unwatchable or something. Some of the best films ever made are from the 50s/60s. There’s worthwhile stuff earlier too but tech hadn’t been fully realized so by modern standards some of the silent stuff etc. might be a hard watch.

define "art" you fitly Kike

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everytime you see coomer pic like pic related you say coffee

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Meme where someone posts a picture of titties then asks if coffee is good for you. i.e. people are gonna talk about the image, not the topic. This thread actually seems to be on topic somehow though

In terms of feel, narrative and gameplay
Suda51
Shush.

Physical expression of one's soul, that isn't inherently good or bad. That's why there's good art and shit art.

The product of creative output
Now you define it.

Yeah sorry I should know better than to argue with schizos

The onus is on you to explain how defining videogames as art opens videogames to being "controlled by semantic word games" in a way that they would otherwise not be. And you would also need to explain how videogames fail to meet the definition of art, since you just not wanting them to be isn't a real reason.

>Pretentious Suda51 fart huffer arguing games aren't art in the same breath
That's a new one to me.

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You already got the last of us 2, that's the best you are going to get.

I mean, if I had to answer OP, that's the answer I'd give.
>pretentious
Where do you get that from? don't bother, you're full of shit.

What a dumb opinion. Please research before thinking something like that. For example read history of cinema, what movies are considered exceptional by people in film industry, etc then watch it and make your own opinion
Sorry if sound harsh. If you're unwilling to do your research and not interested in understanding context of work then you probably wouldn't enjoy most of the cinema before 80s.
Even then, there's plenty of directors and movies I think anyone would really enjoy even today. Most of Kubrick and Hitchcock, After Hours, The Graduate, Casablanca, Modern Times for example. But there's a lot more complex and interesting things out here, if you're willing to dig

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>its art if I say so
So then anything is art. Thus art has no inherent value. Thus the Kike gets to define anything they shit out as "Art". Same reason why modern movies and modern art suck because it abandoned any kind of extrinsic metrics for evaluating quality.

>now you define it
art is the product of striving for mastery, the product is never art in it of itself, but a work of art as an indication that the creator is seeking the ideal, or transcendent. Video games are not inherently art, but games can be a medium for artistic process. Those pushing that Games are inherently art, are just Kikes trying to sell feces as "art".

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>Where do you get that from?
Suda51's entire body of work is dogshit and the last refuge of a Sudafag lies in literary readings of his games, since they don't stand on their own as entertaining games.

I don't think video games can be art

The only game that comes close is RDR2

>>its art if I say so
Try again dumbfuck

And then you go ahead and say “it’s not art unless I say so” lmao

Same way they bastardized real art to become something that is subjectively defined by fart huffing gallery owners and collectors. Same way the film industry has been bastardized.

>not understanding the gestalt of the argument
>IF I TAKE A SHIT YOU NEED TO ACCEPT IT AS ART BECAUSE HAVING STANDARDS IS FASCISM!!!!
typical jew

What extrinsic metrics of movies/art be more specific, what form of art are you crying over? have been abandoned.
>art is the product of striving for mastery, the product is never art in it of itself
What a hypocrite you are, to accuse others of trying to control narratives by arguing semantics and then pulling this retarded definition out of your ass.

What movies are good from 50/60s?