Why do people act like we know what this segment means yet when anyone discusses it we go into an autism shitfest?

BiBo

I wasn't going to click on the thread initially, but here am I.
They wouldn't let you create an avatar and SHOW you that in the prologue and the end for no reason at all.
I don't get why we have to do this back and forth, it's a shame people think of Kojima more of a writer rather than the game designer and director he's always been (you could argue he's both but whatever), fourth wall breaks like Venom Snake being You in the story (when you think about it the mirror scene is a literal "wall" break) have always been Kojima's cheeky way of reminding you that the story doesn't really matter and that you are playing a game, and being the boomer he is, he always made sure to have simple stupid mainstream themes about "passing xyz to the next generation" because he knew his shit is being played by young adults and he wanted to inspire them. Not to mention that he retcons just for the sake of making what he thinks is going to be a "fun" experience. kotaku.com/metal-gear-solid-v-might-break-canon-but-kojima-says-t-1462498245
But NOOOOOOO all of this has got to mean something amazing, something revolutionary, that even Kojima and the developers couldn't think of, right bros?
>The point of V is about Big Boss becoming insane with his ideals And EXPLOITING HIS BEST MAN GODDAMMIT
I wish I was tonedeaf so I would be siding with you and not having this conversation at all.......
The colors look good in pic related, don't they? Ohhhh and this sounds good, doesn't it? youtube.com/watch?v=rPgM9zvWS-I
Hmm, I wonder what's that logo on his jacket.........thank you my friend.
From here on out, have sex and either play the game for enjoyment (if MGSV brings you that) or stop seething on Zig Forums, the seething literally helps no one (i'd get it if someone asked if they should buy the game or not) and only makes it worse for everyone involved.

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>A military nation above and apart from all - the true "Outer Heaven." Something created to **maintain world balance.** Independent of the struggles for supremacy, **for personal profit, the cycles of revenge between countries.**
This is literally no different from MSF's goal; bring not world peace but a compromise between peace and war. In other words, a temporary peace for each side that pays them the most contract (in other words, said peace will last until someone decides to fight said side again, it's an armistice rather than real peace, which is permanent.) They're acting as peacekeepers, militants, rather than peacelovers, singers. The act of mindlessly "bringing armistice" for whichever side pays them the most causes what The Boss mentioned about the cycle of friends and enemies to further itself. Big Boss's existence is evil like it or not. He could have put down the gun and "sung" like The Boss, make peace with Zero and do whatever he pleases instead of retaliating from him. But nooooooooooooooooooo, "gotta be a soldier!"

Only difference between MSF's goal and this one is that the latter has a much bigger plan to secure itself as a national power, by taking the world hostage.

Will ever metal gear thread start like this now?

fuckin love rowans voice, get a warm feeling every time i hear his voice in other games like tf2 and skyrim

This, it makes the most sense. The Outer Heaven Uprising seems to be the most shallow out of the MG events but it has some interesting stuff behind the scenes.
>The Patriots notice a powerful mercenary state near South Africa
>All eyes are on Big Boss and suspicion is high
>To prove his innocence, Big Boss says that he will deploy FOXHOUND to destroy this rogue state
>Big Boss does not want FOXHOUND to actually destroy Outer Heaven so he purposefully sabotages his own unit
>Big Boss gives Venom Snake multiple tapes to help Venom intercept and capture the FOXHOUND operatives sent to Outer Heaven
>The Patriots now believe that Big Boss is trying his best to destroy Outer Heaven and let Big Boss continue
>This buys Venom Snake more time to finish TX-55 Metal Gear to destroy the Patriots in a fashion similar to Liquid's plan in MGS4
>The first FOXHOUND operative, Grayfox, is successfully captured by Venom so Big Boss sends the rookie Solid Snake to keep up the ruse
>Solid Snake does too well despite the efforts of Venom and Big Boss
>Solid Snake goes way too far in Outer Heaven and discovers that Big Boss is the leader of it
>Big Boss is in absolute hot water with Patriots as he is now enemy #1 for his attempted coup against them
>As Solid Snake approaches Venom, Venom plays the final tape Big Boss assigned to him
>The tape says that Venom must die so that the Patriots think that Big Boss was killed by Solid in Outer Heaven, allowing the real Big Boss to freely operate
>Venom gets pissed off due to the resemblance between this scenario and the scenario that the Boss was placed in by Coldman in Operation Snake Eater
>Venom punches the mirror and the rest is history

Yes, every Metal Gear thread will start like this now because MGSV ruined any good video game discussion. The ending was too vauge, you see people still trying to dissect it in [current year], that's how shitty it is, it left people off with bad bitter reception.

If Venom actually explained why he punched the mirror then we could go on with our lives.

except that Big Boss didn't expect Venom to die

there's no facts, only interpretations
that cutscene can be either a love letter to the fans or a big fuck you to them

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>The tape says that Venom must die so that the Patriots think that Big Boss was killed by Solid in Outer Heaven, allowing the real Big Boss to freely operate
This as plausible as it is and how it deeply parallels to MGS3, is still headcanon. Big Boss in MGS4 never said that when they found out about what he was up to that he was gonna "kill himself" to fool the Patriots to think he was dead. But 4 was released before MGSV and the double twist, so whatever.

That quote has absolutely nothing to do with the mirror whatsoever, it's about how there are two Big Bosses

Yeah he didn't, Venom's death was not in the original plan. The original plan was stalling the Patriots long enough for Venom to finish Metal Gear and kill the AIs. Venom's death was final resort and worst possible scenario, it wasn't supposed to happen. Big Boss didn't want Venom to die, Venom was a major part of him and his plan

Kojima needed a way to explain how Solid Snake needed to kill Big Boss twice.

>The tape says that Venom must die so that the Patriots think that Big Boss was killed by Solid in Outer Heaven, allowing the real Big Boss to freely operate
>Venom gets pissed off due to the resemblance between this scenario and the scenario that the Boss was placed in by Coldman in Operation Snake Eater
>Venom punches the mirror and the rest is history

>"yet another parallel to The Boss!!!!!!!!!!"
Oh my fucking god, we already had Liquid Ocelot. Jesus fucking christ write an actually original character Kojima

Think about it, MSX game is the start of Solid's adventure and 3 is the start of Big Boss's adventure. It totally makes sense. Venom makes perfect sense to be "The Boss but a man."

Isn't it obvious it was meant to be open to interpretation? There's no one true way Venom feels in that scene. This game has many such cases. Nothing wrong with discussing it though. I think the reasoning was to give MGS fans something to argue about for many years to come.

>Venom gets pissed off due to the resemblance between this scenario and the scenario that the Boss was placed in by Coldman in Operation Snake Eater
>Venom punches the mirror and the rest is history
That doesn't explain the demon in the mirror (unless the demon is Big Boss himself) and the two Venoms

The Boss is a very important person to Venom and Big Boss, traces of her story are withing theirs. The Boss' story is just a story of person following what they are told blindly, Raiden and Solid did too but the Boss' story ended tragically and her story was during a pre Patriot era

Kojima and his friends aren't trustworthy

>The Boss' story is just a story of person following what they are told blindly
Except she knew she was being used halfway in her life. She regardless let herself continue to be used, because it to her was "singing," making peace with the U.S. Government.
She didn't want to retaliate because retaliation to her is "fighting" and "fighting" creates the construct of "friends and enemies" that she defined to be relative and pointless. Something that Big Boss never got until the very end, jesus.

Why Venom continued to let himself be used when he knew that he was, I don't know. Maybe it was to "sing." or maybe he was following orders for the sake of following orders like a loyalist.

Nothing in 4 really contradicts the theory to my knowledge

I think travis touchdown is still my favorite video game character of all time, and a lot of that is because of Downes' voice

Kojima only ever made one Metal Gear game and he just remade it another 7 times. They literally all have the same character archetypes and story.

>"Kaz, I'm already a demon"
Being a demon is how Venom always saw himself.

Are you fucking serious? V shit on a lot of things that 4 established, Big Boss saying in 4 that he "took the hit but survived" compared Big Boss getting a body double and using it to fool the Patriots into thinking he's dead would be a pretty huge retcon and deal.

The story of Metal Gear was perfectly explainable without a body double, Metal Gear should have stopped after PW.