This is the most polarizing game ever made. From the perspective of art history, this means it's the most important one...

Terrible sequel.

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The general objection to Undertale is more superficial than the general objection to TLOU2.

I personally can't stand Undertale because I simply am not an animal person and I have no stomach for twee sensibilities. I think that goes for most people who are sick of hearing about it. It's not an objection to the specific content of it, which frequently is the case with TLOU2.

I like my PS4. It has some good games. I play it less than my PC. I really don't care how much it sold, or how much anything sold, and I think that's a really pathetic proxy for a discussion and I have and will be universally consistent about this whenever I post. I think people like you, by bringing up such utterly boring and irrelevant drivel about herd movements, are shitting in the pool of piss (it was fine just being piss before) and making any interesting discussion impossible.

"Polarization" has nothing to do with how many people bought the game. It has to do with how they responded to it. I'm not interested in what the herd consumes, but I am interested in how they -individually- articulate their response to it (and thus, if their take is worthwhile at all, cease to be herd).

>Trump is the most polarizing president ever elected. From the perspective of political history, this means it's the most important one, and also the greatest one.

Troll harder with your retard logic.

No Neil. It's trash because it was made by an inbred jew faggot pedo.

>a safe and campy story filled with hollywood tropes

Nobody actually thinks TLOU2 is this aside from you, and if they did they wouldn't be voraciously upset about it. What they're upset about and how they articulate it goes directly against "a safe and campy story filled with hollywood tropes"; that is what TLOU1 was and that is what most of them were desperate for more of.

>I think people like you, by bringing up such utterly boring and irrelevant drivel about herd movements, are shitting in the pool of piss
>literally the entire focus point of his argument is "WAWAWAWAWA TLOU 2 IS A MASTERPIECE BECAUSE THE HERD DOESN'T FOLLOW IT"
Shut your fucking fat mouth, you stupid pseudointellectual mouth breathing retard.

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The idea of comparing this tripe to things that actually shook a medium is comical. This is no sacre du printemps.

they are all only goyim to you, huh Neil.

>From the perspective of art history, this means it's the most important one, and also the greatest one.

The game was in controversy over:
a)Shit work environment
b)Poor narrative decisions
c)Self-insert from the creator.

It wasn't "polarizing" for attempting something new that other games/developers had not dare do before. If anything, it felt like a cashgrab, and the logical conclusion of social politics of the time period.
It's more of a "this is what corporations in the mid/late 2010's used to do to try to get money through virtue signaling."

IMO, pic related was "polarizing" for "the right reasons" and "greater" from an art history POV.

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It was very well received by most people. Zig Forums was tricked into hating it by the leaker, whose hands they played straight into. They aren't ready to admit they were duped yet; check back next year.
I do think it's one of the best games ever made, but I also think you're either baiting for replies or a pretentious fuckwit. Or both.

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user, TLOU2 is a hollywood movie.
Sit down and read a fucking book for once in your life, or hell go see an actual hollywood movie.
TLOU2's storytelling is not unique or "subversive".
It's derivative shlock.

This is what happens when you only consume video games and no other media, kids. You become like this user.

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I can certainly argue this. Trump's polarization caused more people than ever before to feel they have a political opinion worth expressing, and thus as far as the furtherment of the idea of democracy (the primary actual role of a president) is concerned, he is the "most important" and "greatest". We'll just have to see whether this election has record voter turnout.

>The idea of comparing this tripe to things that actually shook a medium is comical.

I cannot think of any game that has caused more upset among core gamers. Can you?

You sound like you only just got into video games this year.
And you know what, I'm probably right.

>What they're upset about and how they articulate it goes directly against "a safe and campy story filled with hollywood tropes"
Unfortunately tlou2 pulls off the "revenge bad" trope so poorly that it becomes "subversive" just by being so bad and tiresome to sit through.

>TLOU2 is a hollywood movie.

You have unrealistically high standards for Hollywood movies, because none of them approach the unflinching visceral violence and drama of TLOU2. Most of them are predictable PG-13 popcorn fare, which is the exact opposite of what the exhausting, surprising, and challenging ordeal which TLOU2 is (provided you play it on Grounded, the only definitive and correct mode where you are actually playing the game).

I actually would challenge you to name any 3 Hollywood movies that approach the essence of what TLOU2 is, which is building up a villain who is beyond the pale and then switching to their perspective of all events. Most Hollywood movies are one-sided from start to finish.

It's much, much harder to make art that has universal appeal than it is to create art that divides people

>most polarizing game
Not really, only a vocal minority think it's some masterpiece.
Most people either think it's shit or are complacent enough that it doesn't matter.
It's a high budget game with pretentious writing, which means it appeals to the zombie buyer and social media addicted narcissists who think every piece of media has "deep themes" and is reflective of "our society".

>work of art because no one likes it
die

It is even harder to make art that has universal appeal that does ultimately divide people, and that is what TLOU2 is.

This is also why I ultimately decided it's a better game than Pathologic 2, which needs a bigger budget and multiple characters already.

tranny game, go kys twitter fags

>Kneel Cuckmann still trying to shill his movie on Zig Forums
lol at your life

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This, finding positive ways to view criticism of your work is a coping mechanism.
If Neil was confident in his art, he wouldn't give a shit and he wouldn't be all over the internet engaging with detractors.

>I actually would challenge you to name any 3 Hollywood movies that approach the essence of what TLOU2 is, which is building up a villain who is beyond the pale and then switching to their perspective of all events.
Fucking Avengers Infinity War did this. That's the level that your shitty game is on, the storytelling isn't any better than MCU garbage.
Holy shit user, TLOU2 isn't special. People hated it because it was badly written and dependent on cheap shock-value and "subversion" without any actual justification for it, it's simply just there to be like "you didn't expect it, so that makes it good".

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Kill yourself if you think I'm reading that

I have 1200 games on my Steam account. Here is my Steam account. Notice the verification I just added to the header.

steamcommunity.com/id/deejowellens

Now, fucking subhuman, answer the fucking question or admit you can't.

>Name 3 movies where they switch things to the villain's perspective... I BET YOU CAN'T!

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Fallout 76
EZ PZ

I think The Last of Us Part II is the current greatest game of all time.

I also think Neil Druckmann has done more harm to it than any other person simply by engaging with dipshits about it and providing his takes which are invariably (and inevitably) shallower than the actual game is. I subscribe 100% to Death of the Author, and the easiest way for people who have not even properly played this game to make shit of it is to simply give the floor to Druckmann.

>revenge bad
>sit through
I don't think you played this game. I think you either skimmed its cutscenes on youtube, or watched a zany streamer whizz through it while reading out donation messages.

user we both know the California office calls all the shots now. So do you honestly think they won't keep pushing shit like this?

TLOU2 is dogshit because you could adapt it into a movie and not lose anything, because it's already a cinematic experience where the player has no control over the outcome of the story and just sits back like a movie viewer.

I'm never going to watch Avengers Infinity War so this conversation can't go any further. Darn. I watch plenty of other Hollywood movies so I wish you could've cited something that wasn't capeshit (but you're not wrong to do so).

Don't try to act like the whole theme of the story wasn't that user. You'll look like a retard trying to refute it.

>universal appeal
gaming "journalists" who have been promised things from sony are not "universal appeal"

>he Last of Us Part II is the current greatest game of all time
what's so great about it? The writing was dog shit. The gameplay is fine but third person shooters with stealth elements are a dime a dozen.

Imagine spending your free time pretending to like a terrible game just to "own" Zig Forums. Guaranteed OP's hands are shaking like crazy replying to all these posts. What went wrong in your life bro? Who hurt you?

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>i'm going to kill you
>nevermind
>okay i actually am going to kill you
>aaahh i change my mind revenge bad

>TLOU2 is dogshit because you could adapt it into a movie and not lose anything

You'd just lose 25+ hours of extremely compelling and challenging stealth-action gameplay, provided you are playing on Grounded with per-chapter checkpoints, as you should be. But you didn't play the game at all so you wouldn't know.

The story represents less than a third of what TLOU2 is, holistically.

We are talking about appeal, as in, market image, preconception. A third-person stealth-action shooter game has fairly universal appeal as far as videogames go, given by how they dominate the canon. That it happens to have a lesbian girl in the starring role does not make a significant difference, no matter how much certain people who care more about their narratives than they do about videogames would like to pretend otherwise.

fucking this.
anyone who uses art in context with TloU2 is a braindead media slave. artistically there is nothing what tlou2 has to offer except over the top brutality for schock factor. it´s another uncharted/generic 3rdps with handholding to the end, no freedom for the player to decide the outcome, no room for interpretation, only black and white moral conditioning.

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I agree with this. Druckmann (and Baker) should have stayed the fuck off Twitter.
Disagree. Embodying the characters in a video game builds a certain connection/empathy with them which can't be reproduced in non-interactive media. The cutscenes always play out the same way, sure, but you'll view them very differently when you've walked in everyone's shoes.
Twitch and Youtube seem to have given everyone the bizarre idea that they can watch someone else play a game and walk away from it with a worthwhile opinion on said game.

Nier Automata and Undertale did more interesting things with the video game medium, and they did it without being wrapped up with horrible HBO writing filled with gratuitous sex and gore.

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It’s garbage

>This is the most polarizing game ever made.
No it isnt
>From the perspective of art history, this means it's the most important one, and also the greatest one.
No it doesnt

>polarizing

That's just a corporate euphemism for 'it sucks'.

>only black and white moral conditioning

The game doesn't actually moralize and most arguments I've seen for this (usually involving animals that are saved or killed) are performatively idiotic.

>gratuitous sex and gore

Oh mercy, heaven forbid.

There's nothing "gratuitous" about the two sex scenes in TLOU2 either. They were given ample build-up and they serve as punctuation marks in the developing relationship of those characters. "Gratuitous" is when a sex scene concerns non-characters or is excessively long or purposefully titillating, none of which can be rationally apply to the 30 seconds of "sex scene" in the game. You are just saying words.

Complaining about gratuitous gore in a videogame is also just, like, get the fuck off of this board.

>25+ hours of extremely compelling and challenging stealth-action gameplay
you sound like a fucking commercial
grounded isn't even hard. It plays like every other game in the same genre. It's serviceable, but mediocre. The story was what everyone was looking forward to in this game, it's what everyone liked about the first one, or rather the characters. TLoU2 fails spectacularly in this regard.