When does a game stop being a game?

I see Zig Forumstards post this image a lot, what do they mean by it?

Seems like you don't know shit about dada.
This was supposed to be criticizing modern art idiot. A statement made to show literally anything can become "art".
And believe me, there are way worse around...
Yes, the picture you are seeing is 100% real.

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When it's ajar

it's a famous piece of post-modern art, you uncultured turd.

that it hurts traditionalist feelings when someone takes a subjectively judged field to its logical end to prove the founding absurdity of any judgment.

R.Mutt isn't even his real name.
It's by Marcel Duchamp.

when it does not even try to challenge the player

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Doesn't make it any less of a joke that it actually got into a museum in the first place.

This piece was submitted to a gallery where they would accept anything as long as the artists submitting art payed a fee. The artist was willing to pay that fee to put the urinal on display, and since that was the only requirement, the gallery couldn't refuse him. The reason it was behind a curtain was to hide it from the rest of the exposition.
Post-modern artists were massive shitposters.

If there is a period of time that isn't a loading screen where nothing happens if you press buttons, it's not a game.

Cutscenes don't make a game a movie if they are skippable, but if they are unskippable you are literally watching a moving picture aka movie.

By this definition, Myst is still a game, but Uncharted and modern Tomb Raider games aren't. I think that's correct.

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Ignoras et ignorabis

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Right around Gone Home

Douchechamp really stuck up to the art community with this one ngl

It's actually the most well known exemple of "anti-art". The author made it to take the piss off pretentious modern art, and yea, the pun was fully intended. Ironically, people who don't get it think it was pretentious itself

it’s more of a political message than an art piece

Literally not a single WORD of that is true. There was a New York art exhibition in 1917 that had rules that stated that artists who pay an entry fee must have their works accepted into the show. Marcel Duchamp slapped this shit together, signed R. Mutt, submitted it and paid the fee, the rest is history. TL;DR he literally did nothing wrong.

Dadaism was a mistake

even if it was a joke, it created dadaism which lead to the 'anything can be art' mentality

Lol, I still remember the argument I got into with my History teacher over this bullshit. Her fiancé was an artist so she got VERY defensive.

Dadaism wasn't created by Marcel Duchamp. He didn't even consider himself to be a Dadaist. Dada was a reaction to the barbarity of World War 1 as a sort of refutation of the culture that led to that war.

It depends on what you define as a game. Most single player "games" are actually closer to puzzles. You're trying to figure out the correct combination of button presses to achieve some win condition. Multiplayer games, meanwhile, can usually be boiled down to either random, arbitrary, or solved games. In cases other than arbitrary, a game is then a competitive test of skill between two or more players, with the level of competitiveness being dependent on the level of RNG. Richard Garfield (game designer who made MTG) wrote a book on this called Characteristics of Games. It's a good read.
mitpress.mit.edu/books/characteristics-games

based

Did it deserve to be called "degenerate art?"

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In my opinion, not all interactive software is a game. It only becomes a game if the player needs to learn a set of rules to achieve a goal. It is the same difference between a toy and a board game, for example.

Define "rules" and "goal".

And that interview that he is questioning the meaning of art and says he wants to deconstruct the concept?

Based.
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting and even if this shit was supposed to piss in modern art it's still a pile of trash.

When it stops being fun.

>after 2012
only right answer

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