Monsters are trying to kill you but if you act in self defense it makes you a bad guy

>Why is it wrong to retaliate?
Play the game before attempting to discuss it. There is a very, very blatant answer to this question.
>All the monsters literally go out of their way to try and kill you if you try and be nice to them
They use magic to greet each other. They don't know they're hurting you.
>But if you do a genocide run they will seemingly try their hardest to talk their way out of fighting you, even if they would have no reason to act differently
They have no reason to act differently despite you killing everyone in your path? Are you retarded?
>Either let yourself be a punching bag who has to almost let the monsters kill you several times
There is a very, very blatant answer to this conundrum.

>how abhorrent the characters and the message were.
How so?

Calm user

That is not the message of the game. Toby Fox acknowledges your complaint in the pacifist run when you go back and speak to Asriel, stating that not everything can be solved so easily like it was in this video game.
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You have to actively peruse the fights to even initiate the genocide run.

naw, I open the nearest window and when it lands on the screen I shut the window trapping it inside to starve to death and die.
so close to freedom, bud.

Undertale is literally the shopping cart theory but heavily expanded.

You know the right thing to do is befriend monsters rather than kill them, this is told to you at the start by Toriel but no other character brings it up outside of specific contexts where you actively murder characters for specific reactions.

So, under absolutely no higher than you supervision, what do you do in this world? Do you attempt to be the better man than your enemies and simply befriend them because it's the morally correct thing to do? Or do you kill them all because "this game is stupid RPGs should be endless grinding and killing enemies"?

If you picked the latter for any reason other than morbid curiousity after finishing a pacifist run, I hate to say it but you might be fucking retarded. If the simple message of "you can always be the better man than your enemies" doesn't click with you immediately I don't know what to say other than to take a psychopath test. I relate this to the shopping cart theory because that theory goes hand in hand with showing if someone is an asshole or a retard just based on a simple, inconsequential choice, much like how this is a simple, inconsequential game.

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>implying op actually played the game

You should already know the deal user.

based kermit

What part of "monsters speak Danmaku" did you not get?

What about Undyne? Mettaton? Mad dummy? Asgore? Muffet? Doggo?
Those are characters who want to kill/eat you off the top of my head

You're operating under the assumption that the pacifist ending is the good ending. WRONG. The good ending is the one where you kill every single last one of the kid-killing soul-stealing beasts then finally destroy that world to move on to more satisfying endeavors. The monsters in the game are just that, irredeemable monsters. There's a reason the "genocide" route rewards you with the best fights and music in the game

Did you play the game y/n because there is a very blatant answer to this question.

Not him but I played the game years ago and don't remember the answer to the question, what is it

>with no understanding of good and evil.

I was only making an exaggeration, I am concerned that you don’t know.

>hehe the monsters don't know that they're literally shooting soul bullets at your soul that will kill you despite having dialogue to the contrary and the whole plot setup being that the king of the monsters have ordered all monsters to kill a human to steal their soul to power up their human genocide machine and escape from the underground
are you retarded

one thing about you always struck me as kinda odd. now, i understand acting in self-defense. you were thrown into those situations against your will. but... sometimes... you act like you know what's gonna happen. like you've already experienced it all before. this is an odd thing to say, but... if you have some sort of SPECIAL POWER... isn't it your responsibility to do the right thing?

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>>But if you do a genocide run they will seemingly try their hardest to talk their way out of fighting you
Are you fucking retarded?

4 of the characters you posted are meant to be challenges that test how well you can stick to pacifism. If you crack, and actually fight them, you've already lost the game.

Asgore is the only fight in the game that forces you to fight, only because Asgore himself takes your option to resolve things peacefully away from you outright. And he was clearly in the wrong to do that, going off the best ending, where monsters got to the surface without your soul.

>this is an odd thing to say, but...if you have some sort of special power...isn't it your responsibility to do the right thing?
If you don't think so, then you're really weird because it's a video game where you can actually get away with doing the right thing and it's objectively the best outcome. See:

Ok but this was in response to
>They use magic to greet each other. They don't know they're hurting you.
Which is clearly not the case

Doing the right thing is to remove all these monsters who have literally murdered and stolen the souls of six (read: SIX) children from existence to prevent them from getting out of their deserved imprisonment underground. Piss off armchair moralfag skelly

hello plebbit

Snowdrake, IceCap, Gyftrot, Aaron, Shyren, etc. none of those monsters mean to hurt you. In regards to Undyne and others, it literally does not matter because you have the power to do the right thing 100% of the time.

If you played the game you'd know they're not trying to kill you, with a few exceptions.

>People are trying to kill you and rape your daughter
>But if you try and save her everyone calls you a monster and you doom humanity
What was the message here?

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why do you consider it the """right thing""" to let murderous pieces of shit like undyne and mad dummy survive

Plus
>muffet spares you
>doggo is 100% defenseless against you

>if you had to pick someone to spend the rest of your life with, would it be Sans or Papyrus? Why?
>skip
All he had to say was Papyrus and spaghetti.

he's not a faggot though so why would he say that

>muffet spares you after actively trying to murder you for a bit and failing
wow, how generous

Because there is objectively a better ending where Undyne finds purpose outside of violence, ditto for Mad Dummy.

That teen girls want to be treated as rape-meat.

How about dyno-dyke doc mengele?

Is she cool?

Why isn't legal to rape someone who attacked you?

Can't even play undertale.

>befriend Undyne
>you show her the error of her ways, reluctantly, and see her grow into a better person and the implication by the end is that she actively attempts to befriend humans outside of the underground and become a better person overall
God, you're fucking retarded.

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That Dr. Yado is the worst and Rando did nothing wrong.

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Again, you have the power to load game and kill her 1000 times if you wanted to. It is objectively the right thing to spare her so that she may lead a better life. We are 5 years removed from UT and this facet of the game still escapes retards.

And are we, the player, supposed to forgive the monsters for the six children they already killed in the underground to fuel their ambition? No thanks. If they did it in the underground, they'll do it above ground too. Even if you suspend your disbelief and unironically think that the monsters "didn't mean to do the child murder" they sure as fuck need to stay locked up in their underground prison or they'll start killing humans en masse while "greeting" them with soul bullets