Who was right here?

Worked well for rome

>next Fallout made by Obsidian
>will be as bad as Outer Worlds
>Obsidiots will still blame Bethesda or something else but Obsidian

Objectively House

No one was right. Every faction was acting in their own self interest. That's literally the point.

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Larp. The Mojave & Vegas lasted this long with House and he has the money and the army. He's the best bet for the Mojave as an individual area. Otherwise it's NCR even with all the incompetence and bullshit you get with government type systems. Then in 3rd you have Yes Man a literal who with a headshot wound would do better for long term stability than a gang of slavers like the Legion.

House unironically. He's effectively got a supercomputer for a brain. The only thing he does wrong is that he doesnt want to help freeside which is the one problem I have with him. He's right about bureaucracy getting in the way with the NCR and the Legion being retard larpers. Yes man just throws the wasteland into a power vacuum and that would likely lead to some shitty fascistic dictator who would be even worse than any option you have. Yes man is only picked by losers who don't understand government, NCR is picked by redditors, and the Legion is picked by people that would have joined Hitler unironically. House is the only good answer.

Are you new to Zig Forums or something?

I'd pick Hitler and I picked House
Nice reddit analogy you got there, but the legion is more for 3rd worlders

That's what I mean though, you're only saying that because you yourself have ethical preferences that tend towards house and NCR. I actually agree with you too, House is always my favourite candidate to support in playthroughs, but I don't think he's objectively the best, he's just my personal preference.

NCR is fucking despicable though if you read up on it, imperialist cunts with a leadership more morally bankrupt that the legion's.

Your read on teh legion is wrong. Part of the speech based victory over Lanius is you pointing out that the Legion relies on constant expansion and capture of resources/slave labour to feed itself and that, by nature, that expansion will ultimately overstretch the legion's reach until it collapses under its own weight.

I do get the feeling there was a desire to try and write the legion as another equally valid choice, but time and budget limits left them stuck as a more generically "bad" faction vs. the "good" of House/NCR.
Ideally each faction should have the positives and negatives more easily explored:

>House: Power in the hands of the experts, rule via technological prowess, probably best living standards for its citizens but still a very delicate house of cards that relies on too few key figures who are ultimately vulnerable and, should they get taken out, the whole system collapses

>NCR: democracy, closes to what we used to know as the "ideal" society, but with all the same flaws that that brings, including corruption and the militarism of deciding to manifest destiny your way across the wastes.

>Legion: Strength through authoritarianism. Society functions most efficiently when people have their ideal role determined and assigned to them, with the caveats being the society has no room for weakness and obviously slavery bad mm'kay

Third worlders would pick an authoritarian dictator any day because authoritarians promise simple solutions to complex issues.

>NCR is fucking despicable
They're hacks. Maybe the higher ups have the right idea or goals but recruiting every other able body kid who grew up with no education in the wasteland and giving them guns and telling them to follow orders creates a what could possibly go wrong situation that you witness in full all over the Mojave.

Still, hacks with goals and numbers is worth more than Legion to me. Ceaser comes off as a 14 year old who found Zig Forums archives on a holotape and was like these guys have the right idea.

And we can all see how well that works out for 3rd worlders

My issue with house is that he has a completely stunted idea of what progress and helping humanity is. He's planning on taking people to space, and all this insane progress, whilst people are starving barely two hundred yards north behind the fence. If he really cared about progress and humanity like he says he does he wouldn't be thinking of space but of local development.

Not to mention, he's unbelievably vulnerable. He has nobod he trusts, except the courier who betrays him in 75% of playthroughs, and he's so easy to kill I'm baffled it took so long to do it. Still, I would choose him, and I prefer him, but he is farrr from flawless.

>NCR
Machine made up by the sum of its parts, and at the moment it has very bad parts. It does mean that if people like the Courier, Hsu, Crocker and Tandi steer things in the right direction it can achieve good things, but it is a push.

If they win Hoover Dam, it is basically rewarding its absolute worst administration that it has ever had. However, the Mojave itself benefits.might be the best outcome for the Mojave itself as it becomes one of the richest, most stable and prosperous areas of the WastelandHowever, it does likely mean firing the bullet on the NCR as a whole long-term. When the NCR eventually collapses under its own weight, what happens to the Mojave (Even though it might be rich and healthy) is anyone's game.

>House
Security at the cost of stagnation and some freedom. Vegas becomes a glittering oasis of Old World glory but it isn't really going anywhere since it ultimately serves House's neuroticisms. House promises freedom under his rule but as he shows with Vault 21 or the Kings, if you trigger his paranoid thoughts you're a goner even if you haven't done anything wrong. The Mojave is mostly anarchic but largely secure with Vegas as its golden city, Legion and NCR be damned.

>Yes Man
Freedom from the rule of meddlers or out of touch dictators, freedom to develop its own culture but also with the danger that brings on. In the best possible ending, it is still a huge gamble. If you believe Ulysses, the Mojave could become what the Divide might have been. Between NCR and Legion, the best of both, a new nation of its own. Or it could remain an anarchic and unstable wilderness. In the worst possible ending it is a blood-bathed dustbowl that everyone should avoid.

>Legion
Doomed to fail. With the death of Caesar or when they reach the coastline, it will turn on itself. It's possible that the ensuing chaos of a destroyed NCR and the collapsing Legion would lead to the synthesis Caesar is hoping for and come out the better for it.

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House is effectively immortal, so yeah he can see "not so far" into the future because for him it's within reach
Besides Fallout and "local development" don't go together since F3 when it became a part of the "post apoc design" to have people live in run-down huts with broken windows and trash all over, a hundred years after the bombs fell

In short: Yes Man (Best) > NCR (Best)> House > NCR (Mediocre/Worst) > Legion > Yes Man (Worst)

Again I mentioned that he needs to work more on helping freeside and the wasteland. After the wasteland isn't dealing with starving people then it's fine to aspire to space. Also him being vulnerable seems to be more of a game decision. He should have had a huge ass securitron gauntlet or even just seal off his chamber completely so it has no exit unless it's literally dug into by securitrons using lasers or drills so he has no chance of being murdered. He should have been smart enough to realize having any path to his chamber would be room for disaster but sadly a video game needs a way to win

Where's the Enclave when you need them?

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headcanon: the video game

Let me guess - started with NV or Fallout 3? The NCR is built to last. It’s in Fallout 2. It’s existed for generations

Yes Man. You have the power, you deserve to use it.

>If you commit to Legion, you realise that Caesar was molding you as his Lieutenant and successor, and as soon as he dies you would take the reigns

Literal fanfic. The Courier is a mercenary/freelance warrior to the Legion that is remembered in history and that's about it.

>hitler
recognized as an autist and a spaz by the other fascist leaders of the time
mosley and mussolini >

there is only one choice profligate

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>it's another retard who thinks Yes Man = "Mr. House but it's me xd" ending

all so tiresome

I feel sorry for retards like you, maybe you should do yourself a favor and commit suicide already? There is no cure for tarsh taste and low IQ

the legion can't meme

Then you tell me what the fuck it is retard because as far as I'm aware the ending I received was just me molding NV in my image with YM's securitron chip. YM was programmed to never deny anyone, so there's no way he can backstab or refute my authority.

Is it me or does this feel like the one topic that you could plop into any board and people will try discussing and debating in earnest?

Caesar's speech on synthesis won me over on the Legion to be honest. End justifies the means. The Legion won't stay this tribal, backward force once it merges with the West.

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