Why is it suddenly becoming popular to defend MGS4 and V...

metal gear fans are so desperate for a new metal gear game, we start getting hallucinations telling us that V and 4 were great.

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>What is the golden mean?

That aside, the real issue is the gameplay of mgsv is that it's repetitive. You have to do a lot of shit to get through the story and the easiest way to do that shit is just stealth tranq and cqb your way through the game for free.

This, the audience made their bed, now sleep in it.

last point also annoys me too, if anything MGSV is the 'point of no return' where everything starts going wrong for the world in terms of the plot, PFs start emerging, the war between zero and BB truly begins.

The biggest argument for MGSV being unfinished is the repeated missions in chapter 2, which I agree with, but to be frank, if they weren't repeated they were just going to be more tactical scenarios anyway not really involved with the grand plot. It's the whole point of chapter 2, diamond dogs trapped in a war without end, endlessly feeding the cycle of violence and war until it consumes them eventually too.

10/10 bravo kojimer you've done it again, made a shite game to spite yourself and your audience but also that shittiness serves to further the themes and plot of the game. Amazing, what a work of art

>AHHHH I didnt get Big Boss killing kids or a big neon sign saying BIG BOSS BAD so now I make bad faith posts AHHHHH

Completely and utterly filtered.

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>Beginning of the game is pure stealth action kino with Snake
>tragedy strikes and you're forced into playing a different character
>2nd half of the game is wildly unfinished
>you're repeating areas you just played through previously
>liquid escapes with a metal gear at the end but its never shown where he goes or what he does with it, he just disappears

Man MGS2 was pretty kino huh?

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>one of the most important lore dumps in the series is exclusively contained to audio tapes
But wait
>these tapes all unlock at the same time with no explanation as to how you got them
But wait
>the mission that unlocks them is literally the first mission with different cutscenes
But wait
>that mission's changes to the timeline of the attack on the hospital doesn't even add up
But wait
>these two things, mission 46 and the truth tapes, are the most commonly agreed upon "ending" the game has

MGS4 was always my favorite game, I love it. The anti MGS4 sentiment is very recent, some fans have started considering it to be in a different era of MGS from its predessors.. The separation between the first 3 and MGS4 was something the fans made up years after the release, I still don't understand why people disconnected MGS4 from the previous games.

you went to all the trouble of removing your comment, reposting it, and you still made a typographical error.

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I can't get over how anticlimactic liquid's end is after 2. Ocelot just cuts the fucker off and gets a robot hand.

I get what you're trying to do, but everything besides the last one doesn't make any sense. MGSV's beginning is not stealth kino nor do you play as Big Boss. There is no character switch in V. It's Venom all the way through. The beginning is an on rails tutorial. In MGS2 it is in fact steal kino and you do not replay the same area. Tanker and Big Shell are entirely different locations. Not sure how the second half of MGS2 could be considered wildly unfinished when it's the most meat of the game.

True MGS fans love 4, nearly every "problem" that people have against it is because of their own lack of understanding. MGS4's status as a PS3 exclusive means that only a select few people actually played it while others got second hand knowledge. The second hand knowledge is either poorly explained or heavily biased because most MGS4 haters don't have a clue what they are talking about. If you don't have a PS3, emulate it using RPCS3. There is no excuse that a truly invested MGS fan can give on why they skipped 4

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Fuck, well at least some of the errors are gone. The original one I posted sounded like a dementia ridden old person wrote it.

both were disappointing but not bad, more frustrating

4 at least had soul

this triggered me congratulations.

i was having trouble following you, but i figured it's because i'm fucking stoned

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still waiting on that source

It's raelly not ipmrotnat to sepll croreclty on 4hcan or eevn wirte good

MGS4 is straight trash, MGSV is the greatest in the seires

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150 of those hours are padding. Copy pasted missions. No substance at all.

Eh one extreme doesn’t make the opposite extreme any better. Just because people wanted MGS4 to have a higher gameplay ratio and less people talking with boring powerpoint slides doesn’t mean they wanted barely a story at all in a series famous for having a compelling story. If you want to see what the right balance is just look to the original 3 games which everyone still loves.

>It's the whole point of chapter 2, diamond dogs trapped in a war without end, endlessly feeding the cycle of violence and war until it consumes them eventually too.

It’s a cool concept when you put it like that but the execution is dreadful. The PMC you build isn’t even strictly Outer Heaven and the Venom layer just complicates it, the whole nuclear disarmament ending is in contrast with this and dependent on Venom still trying to make the world a better place unlike Big Boss.

It’s still likely Diamond Dogs left the oil rig and were folded into Outer Heaven along with Venom but my point is that if Kojima just played it straight and made a game about Big Boss building the real Outer Heaven and his men trapped in endless war it would have been way more effective. The entire presentation and bullshittery in the plot makes all these things not land and clearly they it landed for people hyped by the trailers so the final product never lived up to any of what you’re saying.

Have we really gotten to the point where we're comparing GZ and tanker?

you were going to link muta's vid weren't you?

>Mainstory 46 hours
>bro it's all padding
fucking delusional bro
Send a screenshot of your fucking playthrough with less than 50 hours

this still infuriates me.

Playing 4 when it released got me really into guns glad it did. V is one of the best games from that last decade.

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Why would doing that prove it is or isn't padding? Copy pasted missions that have no story relevance at all are simply padding. Deal with it.

Why do people hate 4? I always liked it

All they had to do was this - open maps for missions
fuck this open world bullshit. if you take away the cutscenes in 4, you get about 3 hours of gameplay, which are piss easy.

>No evidence of claim
>Deal with it
Fucking 10/10 MGS2brainlet cope more

MGS4 will always be amazing. Naturally when a franchise finale happens it will never be good enough for some people. MGS4 did really damn good.

MGSV was bad though.

The open world is basically completely empty, you could have a moderately sized area around each base a mission takes place in and have the same effect. Also half the missions are just missions you already done before, but with an increased difficulty modifier on them.

how can anyone defend act 3?

I've always liked MGS4 and I still don't like V

There are almost no missions with story relevance. Nearly all the critical plot information is told in tapes. Only children like open world garbage.

Only children like being spoon fed narrative for a moral lesson. Adults enjoy GAMES.

Nah, Liquid's role is far greater than that. While Liquid's arm does get destroyed after Ocelot regains control, his spirit lives on. Seeing as Ocelot realized how valuable having Liquid was after he destroyed the arm, he needed a way to get him back in control. Ocelot is stated to use "psychotherapy, nanomachines, and hypnosis" to bring Liquid back to him. This exact same procedure was used to put Psycho Mantis within Screaming Mantis. Screaming Mantis is the encounter right before Liquid, it can't just be coincidental. It's foreshadowing as to how Liquid Ocelot has changed since MGS2. Instead of Liquid being accessed through the arm, he is now accessed through psychotheraphy, nanomachines, and hypnosis.

Then go play with some legos, FAGGOT. If lack of narrative makes a game better than something with 0 narrative is supreme.

Are you kidding? GZ was theorized from day 1 to be the tanker mission of MGSV

Bad pacing and fanwank.

its insultingly stupid even by MGS standards and a bad game besides. the core gameplay mechanics while enjoyably sophisticated amount to a brief 1 hour tech demo while the rest of the game is terrible setpieces and boss battles
not to mention the fucking cutscenes

There are several things that chap me about MGS4, but one of the biggest things is why did the MGS3 support crew have to end up being the bad guys? So weird.

It’s all just nitpicky stuff like Johnny marrying Meryl or not liking chapter 3. Game is amazing

There are though, in fact most of the missions in one way or another have some amount of foreshadowing of the plot that is expanded upon later, if you bother or care to look for them.

Just because you made a beeline for the objective and tranqed everything in front of you doesn't mean most missions had no plot.

That's Mgs3 tho

>Bad pacing
Ah, the classic “I want to hate something but have no real argument, I’ll just say bad pacing since you can’t measure that and it’s extremely subjective”

THERE ARE LITERALLY 30+ MINUTE CUTSCENES YOU NIGGER.

>this game is fundamentally soulless and uncompelling
>just nitpicky stuff

4 is based, V is anti-based

not him but I dont like 3 either, its boring to play and the start of the series becoming an absurd soap opera

It’s metal gear. Cutscenes are welcomed. You can tell which are the fans and which started with MGS4. Go back to COD kid.

People look for shit to complain about just to say something. The amount of complaints about Vamp returning in MGS4 shows me who the real fans are and who aren't

I like it. Everyone that was closely involved with big boss ended up effecting the story dramatically behind the scenes.

I hate it.

>It’s metal gear. Cutscenes are welcomed. You can tell which are the fans and which started with MGS4
yes you can

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