Better gameplay

>in ultimate
meant to say

Those games are for pesos.

*pedos

What a fucking idiot lmao

Gameplay is always the most important, so yes, it's very clear.

>he doesn’t know
What a fucking idiot.

>isn't cartoony shit
>added a literal cartoon-like character in the game
Unless you mean it isn't cartoony in general.

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Gameplay

>objectively the best soundtrack in the series by far
Not a big fan of most of Brawl's remixes.
>Items are gay and peaked with Brawl anyway
Brawl is where most of the overpowered items and Pokemon originated

The real question is why do you think that more choice is bad?

>Better items
>Better gamemodes
These two are straight up lies.

toon link in brawl looks like one of those creepy ultarealistic fanart of cartoons.

>Beating seething 12-year-olds with your bestest buds in 2vs2 co-op smash
Meleefags will never know the joy

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I honestly think that Sakurai having to design the game around people using a single joycon or wii remote is part of what is holding the series back.

It's more of a quantity vs quality issue. 4 and Ultimate have half a dozen clone characters (ultimate having way more than that) and most sword users have the same gameplan.

I want unique choices, not more choices.

Bait thread, but ok

>It's more of a quantity vs quality issue.
Thing is that becomes a moot point with long running series, that said Smash is only on it's 5th game compared to something like Street Fighter or Tekken but you know. Anyway, for long running series it gets easier with each game to expand rosters without losing that quality.

>I want unique choices, not more choices.
Which you're getting, there are far more unique characters to clones nowadays as well as that even the clones have less similarities to their originals than they did in previous games for example Mario and Dr. Mario.

Ultimate doesnt even have target test does it? Thats the best alt game mode.

>which you're getting

There is nothing unique about picking a sword and mashing F-air or N-air. We don't need 9-10 of these faggots.

>Hurr durrr
You can like both games. Why is it so fucking hard to understand.
Also why is it so fucking hard to accept that if Ultimate had wavedashing and momentum conservation it would become a perfect game? Ultimate is a great game, but it lacks movement options to make it more aggressive oriented. Are you fags scared of commitment? "Oh nooooo I have to learn a simple button tech that takes 15 minutes to learn and opens a whole world of depth it's a GLITCH it's totally UNFAIR!"
We could have both, but you fucking pathetic autists want Smashfags to be divided so we'll be having these shitty "debates" forever.

Nigger why is 64 so low
PM >= Melee > 64 > Ultimate

>thinking its 12 year olds
>not just other manchildren

Zig Forums hates everything, but I do hate the oversaturation of rosterfags and thrid-party characters

>There is nothing unique about picking a sword and mashing F-air or N-air.
If you're going to be like that then there's no difference with most of the cast regardless of if they have a sword or not.

PM Sonic is fucking slick, and playing him in the other games is impossible to go back to after.

Reminder that Meleefags enjoy playing PM with casuals and the only people who shit on it are 4/Ultimate zoomers.

im glad the PM boys are still holding true
we should get a thread on vm and try to do some netplay

>Grind for hundreds of hours to play one of 6 characters against the same 30 smelly nerds in tournaments

or

>Play as Mega Man to Castlevania music

I'll take option B

"Best soundtrack"
aren't almost all of brawls tracks included in Ultimate?

based answer

Tried it on /vm/ and it just died off. Maybe it'll go better on here. The game's more alive now than it was a couple of years ago, too. I usually play on the smash ladder, but it's a gamble between getting a guy who started playing last week or a dude who competes at a top national level. Playing with you fags has historically been way more fun.

Most of the good ones.

Why not just be good at video games and play both?

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They're also the best tracks in the game. If anything, it makes Ultimate's soundtrack even weaker.

>enjoying a game, nah man, why enjoy good gameplay when there's all these bells and whistles in place of genuine fun!
Thats how you sound OP.
>brawl
>better
Yeah, i prefer friendly matches in melee with my bros where we fuck around with different characters but that is a legit point ultimate has over melee, i'll concede on that.

That's true, which is why it doesn't matter if a game has a million characters if the game itself plays like ass.

Yep. Better gameplay it is.

You can't like 2 things on Zig Forums.

>Play Ultimate
>Queue up for a game
>Get triangle camped on battlefield by projectile spammer #17 under a quarter second of input delay
>Win
>Still feel pissed off about it
Nah

I actually like the huge roster and I am 100% convinced that simply adding the two elements I mentionned would balance the game out very well and cull some of the annoying zoner gimmicks. The biggest reason why zoning is so effective in this game is the lack of approach options and the emphasis on defensive non-commiting gameplay. I'm not even trying to say we need to go back to ledgehogging and L cancelling because L cancelling is a devolution and removing ledgehogging may have made offstage play a drag, bjt it changed how you play the meta and, IMO, makes it far more interesting, but being able to use wavedashing as a movement option coupled with being able to conserve aerial momentum would fix the biggest issues I have with this game which is the fact that since you are limited in how you can use movement to position yourself accurately or bait a certain reaction, it makes it too easy for people to just spam their safe air options to prevent anyone from getting on the offensive, leading to a very campy meta.

No fighting game needs 70 CHARACTERS. Ultimate's roster is bloated with excess fighters that no one is actually passionate about. Post-2018, the game lives purely off the "hype" surrounding DLC characters, and everyone forgets them a week after their release.

I had one friend who would play PM with me all the time. Like we would set up brackets with every character and have a tournament every weekend. Sometimes we'd dabble in stupid mods like Infinite too, those would take up several weeks. Then he got a girlfriend last year and I haven't seen him since.
I genuinely love PM so much it's the best Smash game I've ever played. Now I am alone.
Also, add Metal Mario to Smash.

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floaty games arent fun

>Nintendo adds all these clones into Smash
>doesn't add the OG Smash clone

Zoomers will never know the the fear instilled his mere footsteps. Imean, fucking look at this bad motherfucker. He doesn't even have a face.