Farming items with 0.03% drop rates GOOD

>my steaming pile of shit is slightly better than your steaming pile of shit
The absolute state.

i hate both, but farming can be done without wasting premium currency, you just waste time

it's basically lootboxes but japanese. if you know why lootboxes are bad, gacha is bad in the similar ways.

because it doesn't take premium currency, only your time

The problem isn't that something is hard to get. Low drop rates are an easy way to improve player's creativity in sandbox games, where you can build mob farms, or skill, by having players find faster solutions for faster grinding. Sure, if overdone, it'll make the game quite boring and it runs the risk of that.
However gacha games have a far more greedy strategy - they lock things behind real money. So, when you go to, let's say, try a boss again to get a drop, the game will suggest skipping that for real money. By doing this, gacha games exploit the player's laziness and instead of the player actually putting in some time and effort to learn the boss and grind it effectively, you just spend some money and progress faster.
This actually is kinda fine for things you can do all the time, but it gets really fucked up when you apply to this to daily tasks. If you get a box daily, which has a 1% chance to drop something good, you won't be able to just go and try again - you'll have to wait. That's something which is far harder to just do again, since you want that new shiny thing now, so this design exploits both player laziness and lack of patience.
Gacha games are, by design, anti consumer games that are meant to suck out as much money as they can. They can be fun games, but they will always be greedy games. Thank fuck I stopped playing them.

I'm pretty sure Zig Forumstendo will love gachas if nintendo does it.

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You don't need to pay real life autism bux to respawn items to have another drop chance

Gacha = people with too much money
Grind = people with too much time.

They’re both cancer.

but Nintendo already does gachas.

You unironically dit there waiting through 100s of hours just to get a shitty anime girl in a waifub8 game.

Meanwhile generous anons provide me with daily coom pictures and I didn’t have to spend a dime.

Yeah, everyone loves Mario Kart Tour, Doctor Mario World, Pokémon Masters and Fire Emblem Heroes

uhhm what is fire emblem gacha?

It's common knoweldege that xenoblade 2 was ruined by gacha.
That game had an even worse version of OP's argument since you have to grind 0.03% items to then have a 1.6% chance of getting the sword waifu that you want.
Still better than your usual gacha because it's 100% FREE

>he illustrated an argument that no one has, just to justify his addiction to the loli game

you should stretch before attempting olympic style gymnastics like this user
its an anonimous board, you can say you like lolis, no need to point to other degenerates to elevate your own filth

bad data in the wow image.
big love rocket has way higher drop rates. its also free and you can spam it with every character you have.
compare that to any homo gacha where you gotta waste tons of time to even get an attempt at a roll.

you are as sad and as trapped in your "hobby" as the gacha idiots are
they spend money, you spend life

The only disagreement with this comes from the root idea that your time is worthless.

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Zig Forums fucking loves xenoblade 2 tho

Thanks for reminding me to uninstall genshin impact user

Heres the thing faggot, the item in the first example is often uneeded to progress and is just an extra bit of dps or something that can help in a well optimized build. The second one is blatant waifu bait that provides a clear advantage over other players that didnt get it. Also, it costs fucking mo-
>>bb-b-but real money
>You don't need to spend a single cent in a gacha game to get what you want.
Oh, you're a redditnigger! Explains your use of wojacks in place of an actual argument. check this 4 and fuck right off back to your home site you disgusting slime oozing faggot.

It's pokemon cards but people dont want to call them pokemon cards because they probably got laughed at as kids so they had to rebrand it to something else that sounds hip

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>pay to roll
I dont recall dungeons having an entry fee

I keep trying to tell people that you're just greasing another hill, but instead of DLC horse armor leading into microtransactions and loot boxes and shit, it's gacha leading into psychological torture skinner boxes designed to siphon 3-7 dollars from you every couple of days for the rest of your life.

Because there is no currency there except for your time, and most of the time if you're rich enough in in game money you can just fucking buy the item from a market or from another player. Gachas dont have that option, you either waste the money to get the png or you dont.

But gachas also don't take premium currency.
They CAN, but there are few if any that exclusively take premium currency.
You're grinding the same amount in both.

what

He's saying TCGs are the original gacha.

even the garbage state of current wow is so far above any gacha, it's not even funny.

retarded coomer mobile game jpeg slot machine fo real money

You are not grinding even close to the same amount. It takes weeks to farm a 10roll on genshin and you can enter any dungeon any time at least once a day, and it would take you 15m tops to clear that dungeon

>anecdotal evidence
Sounds like you have beef with a specific game, not with a genre. Argue honestly.

>But gachas also don't take premium currency.
depends on the gacha. in Kantai Collection and a few others, the gacha uses resources you can farm easily + a special spice you can also farm easily. to "farm" in this context means to get arbitrarily large amounts with no hard limit
the gachas that everyone plays (like genshin impact) use a special "gacha currency" aka gems aka freemium currency, that you earn a bit by playing and reaching one-time milestone rewards, but to get any more you have to pay up

>Argue honestly
you first