*Turns your deck competitive*

The game is unrecognizeable, there are black and white cards, some shit called links, and monsters that are also magic cards.
Game got butchered sadly

by playing this

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>and monsters that are also magic cards.
We had Monsters that were trap cards from the start user

EDH compledepends on who you play with. Some circles are fucking awful and full of people trying to combo off turn 1 or 2. WotC bending over to pander to EDH players is one of the big reasons the game sucks today.
Limited is like playing Russian Roulette

cEDH is for faggots yes, good thing that edh is based around just telling people to fuck off if they're being a faggot
>WotC bending over to pander to EDH players is one of the big reasons the game sucks today.
nah, as I said edh is the only good constructed format (currently, at the very least) so they're putting their focus where the money is
>Limited is like playing Russian Roulette
imagine being this fucking casual. doing paid drafts can turn some people off but you'd be stupid to turn down a cube-like experience
draft gimmick sets like conspiracy and unstable are by far the most fun I've ever had playing magic

Fuck that card

Didn't Jinzo effectively die the moment normal spells became 'too slow' and hand-traps+monster effects became the new omni-negates? Nobody plays Jinzo anymore, even if you and I wish we could.

Chucktron sneedlerfiber

The game has been powercrept to oblivion and it is beyond saving. I have been playing on dueling book lately and some peoples turns take 10-20 minutes, its not even uncommon for them to be that long. Also, because of the powercreep, the primary goal of any good deck is to stop your opponent from doing anything which isn’t fun at all

more like he turns your deck into his deck

The meta scene was always cancer user.

WotC pandering to EDH is how cards like Hogaak amd Lurrus came to be. They should have never seen the light of day. Also, Garfield said back in the 90's that the competitive side of Magic was what drove things, and without that scene, Magic would be fucked.
I've played draft before, but everyone who's played Legacy will tell you its the best format.

I'm telling you user Jinzo is still cool

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This. There is no buildup, it's all about ruining your opponent from turn 1 (and you HAVE the means to do so) which is not fun, makes duels a lot shorter and ultimately less memorable. Yugioh nowadays is best enjoyed only by playing with friends and/or playing in custom formats with limitations (ex. no cards from XYZ and after or no hand traps etc).

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>WotC pandering to EDH is how cards like Hogaak amd Lurrus came to be.
You're being silly if you think edh of all things is where hogaak came from.
Lurrus you'd have more argument since companions are obviously edh-inspired but that's more to do with wotc/hasbro just putting out broken shit every other week. Walker passives and then oko and then everything before and after it are why companions are retarded, most of the actual companions were inoffensive or "good i guess" outside of like 2. Like the selesnya one that had tribal for all the ikoria types was cool.
>Also, Garfield said back in the 90's that the competitive side of Magic was what drove things, and without that scene, Magic would be fucked.
in the 90s maybe, but I've never given a single shit about the competitive side of magic and I've been playing since 09.
>I've played draft before, but everyone who's played Legacy will tell you its the best format.
i find it incredibly dull, it's not objectively bad like standard I just don't get much enjoyment out of it

The one archetype I care about received support so I'm pretty satisfied.

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>Cool?
Extremely
>Viable?
Not anymore.

Jinzo is too focused around traps (and some spells) but the current meta of yugioh mostly revolves around monsters and hand-traps that omni-negate everything else. His entire niche isn't there anymore.

the one thing i like about yugioh is they keep putting out new versions of old stuff all the time
they're called retrains right? i never even played yugioh, just collected some of the cards, and when I got rid of all of them I still kept the cycle of the elemental girls

Invocation is a crutch for subpar decks to put Mechaba on the field.
Invoked decks are Tier 2 at absolute best

They announced a new playmat with him ~2 weeks ago, Linkross is the more likely candidate.

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I will win with a Jinzo deck user just you watch

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Jinzo was on life support way before then.

Once the game become about archtypes he just wasn't worth including. Boss monsters from proper archtypes would have more synergy, more consistency, and be easier to summon while just plain giving more value.

Another issue is that he just doesn't have enough attack to control the board. Ya you locked down traps but every decent deck from the last 7 years can either easily summon something to attack over him, or summon a monster that can kill him. So he doesn't lock down the board for long.

The moment synchros came out he moved into being a niche sideboard card.

Traps are shit in Yu-Gi-Oh now besides a very select few

Yeah retrains and cards getting archetypes built around them is pretty neat.
I know people are 50/50 on whether they enjoy or dislike archetypes but I like them.
I'd like them more if they gave Charmers a Graceful Charity-type spell card though.

And the traps that are good are just hand-traps with purple text bosses.

Yugioh is to fast to have to wait a full turn for a card to come online. Unless that card does something that immediently wins the game or stops your opponenent from being able to do anything

i really wish mtg had more of it
there's tribal support but that's rather rare honestly, and when they tried a more robust thing like yugioh has it was generally seen as a failure and there's been no effort since 2010 for it

>it's a real card
Is Yugioh's unlimited actually fun, or is the same as Shadowverse unlimited and over in three turns?

Current format is very combo heavy, and fairly rough for rogue strategies. The game usually alternates between control and combo formats every 6 or so months, but covid sort of threw things for a loop, and cards that should have never been playable together are shitting things up.

2018-2019's format had some FTK issues, but overall were pretty decent Grindy control formats.

The current combo Needlefiber Linkross fiesta will pass eventually.

All that aside, The game is fairly fast paced nowadays, and you must include tools to stop your opponents plays via handtraps like Psyframe gamma, The Ghost girls, Infinite imperm, Nibiru etc. Or you go for the board break options and hit them on turn 2.

I came back to the game in 2018, and despite a steep learning curve found some rogue stuff to enjoy playing. The game isn't what it used to be, and won't be for everyone, but it's far from unplayable. Once you have a good grasp on what you're doing most games will usually last 4-6 turns.

They outright said Hogaak was intended more for EDH than constructed and had no clue he would be as good as he was. People were calling that set "EDHorizons" at first for a reason. I'm not saying EDH pandering is the THE reason mtg is bad today, but WotC printing so much shit for them first and competitive second has had major repercussions
I've never given much of a shit about EDH, and I think players selling out of Magic in record numbers speaks highly for how people feel about it right now.
I've found draft to barely ever be interesting. I know people say "it's a true testament of skill", but there's a lot of RNG that goes into it. Also, if I open a money card, I dont give a shit how bad it is in a limited format, you can bet grabbing that shit amd going 0-2 drop.

Unless the tribe has an absolutly massive selection of choices like goblins or elves a tribal deck basically builds themself and all play very similiar.

Tribal sounds cool in theory but it's usually very shallow.

I think yugioh only has one format and it's unlimited/legacy/whatever format you want to call it where it's literally everything.

Yugioh is just too fucking fast and annoying to actually play these days. The fact that a duel making to turn 3 without either player conceding is a small miracle goes to show that it's just overwhelmingly too fucking fast. There's no room for any strategy after the deckbuilding phase, you either built your deck to BTFO your opponent on turn 1 with whatever hand you got or you have to fold.

if you can easily bring him out? sure, it's a good side card against trap reliant decks

It has two.

One that allows everything except for a banlist.

And one that doesn't have a banlist.

No one plays no-banlist yugioh because its way to easy to exodia, turn 1 or do something equally as toxic.

>The game isn't what it used to be, and won't be for everyone.
Thank god for having friends to play shitty/semi viable decks with. The meta is absolute CANCER.

right and the format isn't really even supported officially so there is pretty much just one format

Who is Yugioh's "Professor"? Paul from APS?

youtube.com/watch?v=JEagkBVnMt8&ab_channel=TolarianCommunityCollege

>They outright said Hogaak was intended more for EDH than constructed and had no clue he would be as good as he was.
weird but ok. I suppose it's not terribly surprising since I loved the card from the second I saw it as a design piece, but I never actually played with it and I think it's likely wotc had my same mentality as even I could see it was busted.
>I've never given much of a shit about EDH, and I think players selling out of Magic in record numbers speaks highly for how people feel about it right now.
you're insane if you think edh is causing people to leave the game. people are leaving the game because wotc is retarded.
arena's a shitshow on numerous fronts and actively harms the game
twd is the worst example but a lot of the secret lairs poison the well
every other absurd whale product
general card balance being trash (oko lmao)
the story going down the gutter 2 years ago
just mentioning whale shit again because >fetchlands lmao
there are plenty of reasons to jump ship but i can't imagine the person who is leaving because of a focus on edh
>limited
again, money draft i can understand people's complaints for but just get a cube or some of the cube-like products, rng is the entire reason why people play the game because if it was the same shit every single game people would have stopped playing in the 90s
there's a degree to it, of course, but limited has always been the gold standard for that

that's my point i wish it was better
part of the tribal shit yugioh has kind of wouldn't work with mtg though outside of maybe supplemental products because they can't really have a dozen ripoffs of llanowar elves or something not on llanowar, things are only ever mechanically related and almost never thematically related

it has 3 formats (of sorts), their only difference is the banlist they have
there's TCG traditional and advanced, advanced is the most played on the west, traditional is the exact same thing as advanced but everything that is banned in advanced is limited instead
no one plays traditional, it's cancer, advanced is played pretty much universally, the cards are banned for a reason and traditional just exists so that you can play your favourite banned card but it might as well not exist because it's never played
then there's OCG, which is what they play on the east, the only difference is that they have their own different (and strictly better) banlist
OCG also gets almost every card first and it takes a few months for them to be imported to the TCG (the west)

Godspeed user.

Also helps to find a good locals. My current one only has a handful of meta players currently. The rest have rogue decks, and you build your side as needed since you usually face the same stuff every week.

If I've learned anything in the last two years. Rogue and gimmick decks can usually play at the local level, because your average YGO player isn't actually very good. Know your decks strengths, knows their weaknesses. Put in the effort, and you can usually play circles around them.

>Want to play silly gimmick deck
>Always get put up against some tryhard faggot or metapig
I JUST WANT TO UNGA BUNGA IN PEACE!

>Live in bumfuck ohio
>No Car
>No place to play that isn't miles away